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I'm just reporting on the discussion kcf Send a noteboard - 17/11/2009 09:04:56 PM
That's quite absurd and refuted by the text!
And who are then the six women stronger than Nynaeve, if Cyndane and Mesaana aren't stronger? Alivia, Graendal, Semirhage, some super damane from Tuon?


see my response to Shannow below

BTW, BS explicitly stated that he didn't mean that Asmo was balefired. He also said that there are other RAFO circumstances besides balefire, which prevent a transmigration. This fits with RJ's comment that the DO couldn't transmigrate Asmo because of how AND where he died (if Asmo was balefired the DO couldn't already transmigrate him for that sole reason!). IMO, a certain death in TAR is such a circumstance.


He started the discussion by saying that other than Sammael, whom we had just discussed, all other forsaken that haven't been transmigrated died by balefire. That's what he said. IMO, when I asked about Asmodean he was backtracking. In combination with what he's seemed to have said at other signings, it seems that Asmodean did in fact die by balefire. It's not certain, and it hasn't been said for sure, but as I was sitting next to Brandon during my conversation, it was pretty clear that Brandon believes Asmodean died by balefire. Either that, or Brandon doesn't really consider him among the forsaken any longer.

I was actually just as surprised about where this left Osan'gar. The implication was that we've seen all the reborn forsaken - or in other words, that Osan'gar will not be reborn. Sanderson clearly believed that he had been balefired at the cleansing and one or two of the other SLs did as well. I didn't push it further, but I was pretty certain that he (and the hill he was on) was blown to bits but not balefired. I find it highly unlikely that Elza knows the weave for balefire.

However, the theories that Sammael or Be'lal were transmigrated seem pretty much crushed. Since Osan'gar wasn't balefired, he might have been transmigrated, though, if the DO is such keen on bringing back his original Forsaken. Maybe hs is truly Moridin's messenger seen in the prologue of TGS.


Yes - I mentioned as much by thanking him for destroying some of the more wacky theories out there. At that time he looked at me and said 'Sammael is toast'.

And we know now that Rand's sword is indeed a RAFO.


yes, it is a RAFO

Good report!


Thanks. It really was a great evening.
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my Q&A and time spent with Brandon Sanderson kcf - 17/11/2009 04:23:32 PM 2310 Views
Cyndane is "very, very weak"?! Etzel - 17/11/2009 04:41:32 PM 1173 Views
Maybe Asmo doesn't count as a Forsaken anymore and what is MAFO? Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:35:05 PM 1155 Views
MAFO refers to Maria, RJ's assistant. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:46:08 PM 3238 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 06:02:26 PM 1737 Views
I'm just reporting on the discussion kcf - 17/11/2009 09:04:56 PM 980 Views
I asked Brandon to clarify last night in Pasadena about Cyndane rhiane - 18/11/2009 05:22:14 PM 932 Views
Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:42:51 PM 906 Views
That means, though Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:48:15 PM 848 Views
I've started a new thread, giving the new, DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list. Yay!!! *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:58:03 PM 472 Views
Re: Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:27:06 PM 1048 Views
Thanks! Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:50:35 PM 893 Views
That doesn't crush the Be'lal theories. rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 01:13:32 AM 826 Views
trust me, it does kcf - 19/11/2009 04:22:47 AM 869 Views
I apparently have to Log In to read this. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:33:03 PM 1146 Views
You don't need the email confirmation! Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:36:40 PM 1085 Views
Hm. I could have sworn I saw something about an email confirmation. Thanks. *NM* Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:38:14 PM 467 Views
Naw how about you quote it for us in a new post *NM* Lord o' Salv - 18/11/2009 12:18:52 AM 531 Views
The strength comparisons don't make sense... Shannow - 17/11/2009 06:26:05 PM 1087 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Lordling - 17/11/2009 06:55:39 PM 902 Views
BS also says in this context... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:05:25 PM 903 Views
If you read it in context, the list he is referring to is a female list... Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:41:18 PM 963 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:48:36 PM 785 Views
How do we explain BS stating that he is "pretty sure Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage?" Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:51:39 PM 1328 Views
Difficult... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:58:41 PM 975 Views
Pahus! Yeah, you´re correct *NM* Lordling - 17/11/2009 07:59:49 PM 477 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:22:38 PM 1080 Views
I think he mis-spoke just a bit VTHokie - 17/11/2009 07:37:24 PM 798 Views
He wasn/t 100% sure of Semirhage... *NM* Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:44:11 PM 461 Views
forgetting Cyndane, it does kcf - 17/11/2009 08:56:16 PM 945 Views
No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... Etzel - 17/11/2009 09:43:04 PM 1020 Views
Re: No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... kcf - 17/11/2009 09:48:31 PM 864 Views
Talaan and Someryn are pure guesses from Dom... Shannow - 17/11/2009 10:06:56 PM 973 Views
Elayne at the beginning of PoD thinks Talaan is at least as great as Nyn NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:23:31 AM 847 Views
She defeats her (eventually) guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:08:08 AM 801 Views
Sharina for sure NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:10:08 AM 848 Views
Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 07:07:03 PM 844 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:30:07 PM 936 Views
It almost has to be Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 07:30:32 PM 886 Views
I agree, Justice makes the most sense plotwise! *NM* Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:49:41 PM 591 Views
But here's the thing.... Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:27:55 PM 928 Views
I think the clues still point to it being Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 10:37:44 PM 1026 Views
I was just making argument Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 11:05:18 PM 920 Views
Guaire Amalasan! Legolas - 18/11/2009 12:50:09 AM 930 Views
Maybe Hawkwing took Justice from Amalasan after the Battle of the Jolvaine Pass? Werthead - 18/11/2009 02:09:03 AM 975 Views
That was the crazy part - I named him as one of LitN's "other channelers producing weapons". Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:17:25 AM 833 Views
Re: Guaire Amalasan! Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:18:37 AM 961 Views
And I appreciate your arguments! Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 08:49:55 AM 881 Views
Perhaps it's a "Sword for the Ages" Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:26:00 AM 801 Views
Where does it say it was found in water? guttering flame - 18/11/2009 09:36:52 AM 762 Views
Min's PoV said that it was found in water underneath a statue Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 09:47:12 AM 880 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! DomA - 17/11/2009 07:58:31 PM 907 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! kcf - 17/11/2009 09:07:23 PM 829 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:41:27 PM 808 Views
Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? Logain - 17/11/2009 11:11:48 PM 1031 Views
Re: Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? kcf - 17/11/2009 11:26:30 PM 883 Views
My theories of what Brandon could have meant about Cyndane. Logain - 17/11/2009 11:25:30 PM 963 Views
Who is the Aiel chick with all the one power strength? I forget who, but she is Shaido. *NM* Logain - 17/11/2009 11:34:42 PM 471 Views
Someryn *NM* kcf - 17/11/2009 11:38:42 PM 482 Views
One of the women stronger than Nynaeve is probably a Sharan Logain - 17/11/2009 11:53:12 PM 829 Views
don't read too much into this kcf - 18/11/2009 12:00:19 AM 816 Views
It could be true Logain - 18/11/2009 02:14:50 AM 844 Views
This is RJ's Wheel of Time we're talking about. Not David Eddings. *NM* Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:18:08 AM 450 Views
Cyndane's body guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:22:45 AM 811 Views
Not her body, her identity - that she is Lanfear... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:38:21 AM 786 Views
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