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Re: Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? kcf Send a noteboard - 17/11/2009 11:26:30 PM
It would be a fine joke if you were pulling our legs with the report. I've been fearful that sort of thing would happen at least once. Are you pulling our leg?


Nope - this is totally honest. The official report should go up at DM once it's written (one of the other SL is doing that).


Anyway, the one power strength quotes were these:

Taken in context, the "she" and "her" probably refer to Nynaeve, don't you agree?

Another thing to think about is whether the "new" list compares Nynaeve's current strength or Nynaeve's potential strength. That could change things in the discussion.


Yes, she and her refer to Nynaeve - I should have been more clear in my wording. Very few of the quotes from my report are direct quotes from Brandon. Brandon believes that Nynaeve is stronger than Semi, but only by a very little bit.

I think it's pretty well believed that Nynaeve is already at her potential (the cleansing surely put her there if she wasn't there already). But I would guess that any list of strength would be for full potential.

Your comments about Mesaana are interesting. Brandon seems to imply that it's almost as if the Forsaken have a different measuring stick to go by. Because many of the Forsaken are extremely strong, then Mesaana can look weak next to them. The way Brandon worded it, it still appears to be true that Mesaana is stronger than most regular Aes Sedai.


Yes, relative to other forsaken, Mesaana is weak. Relative to AS, Mesaana is still incredibly strong - we get Sheriam's POV when she meets with Mesaana and Sheriam considers her incredibly strong. I would guess that while Mesaana isn't as strong as Nynaeve, she's still a good be stronger than Egwene and Elayne.

Something else to consider. I wonder if Brandon was distinguishing between quantity of one power that can be channeled, and overall "power." If "power" is measured by both quantity and skill, then that could change rankings as well. Anyway, I find your report to be really great. Thanks.


My impression is that we were talking about raw strength. There was no discussion on knowledge, reaction, and dexterity which would all come into play in an actual duel.

Did Brandon just say that Cyndane was very very weak (in general) or was he comparing Cyndane to her former self of Lanfear? In context the discussion first talked about Lanfear and then compared Cyndane to Lanfear. Maybe Brandon meant Cyndane is weak compared to Lanfear?


I asked about Cydane's power in relation to Nynaeve and he said much, much weaker. Cyndane is a very weak channeler. As pointed out, this isn't consistent with what we've seen previously in the text.
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my Q&A and time spent with Brandon Sanderson kcf - 17/11/2009 04:23:32 PM 2486 Views
Cyndane is "very, very weak"?! Etzel - 17/11/2009 04:41:32 PM 1357 Views
Maybe Asmo doesn't count as a Forsaken anymore and what is MAFO? Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:35:05 PM 1342 Views
MAFO refers to Maria, RJ's assistant. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:46:08 PM 3410 Views
Yes... Etzel - 17/11/2009 06:02:26 PM 1929 Views
I'm just reporting on the discussion kcf - 17/11/2009 09:04:56 PM 1160 Views
I asked Brandon to clarify last night in Pasadena about Cyndane rhiane - 18/11/2009 05:22:14 PM 1135 Views
Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:42:51 PM 1133 Views
That means, though Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:48:15 PM 1012 Views
I've started a new thread, giving the new, DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list. Yay!!! *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:58:03 PM 569 Views
Re: Do you realise what this means! We now have a clear strength list among the female Forsaken... rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:27:06 PM 1248 Views
Thanks! Etzel - 18/11/2009 05:50:35 PM 1100 Views
That doesn't crush the Be'lal theories. rAndy aL - 19/11/2009 01:13:32 AM 1012 Views
trust me, it does kcf - 19/11/2009 04:22:47 AM 1052 Views
I apparently have to Log In to read this. Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:33:03 PM 1414 Views
You don't need the email confirmation! Dragonsworn - 17/11/2009 05:36:40 PM 1262 Views
Hm. I could have sworn I saw something about an email confirmation. Thanks. *NM* Kaldric - 17/11/2009 05:38:14 PM 591 Views
Naw how about you quote it for us in a new post *NM* Lord o' Salv - 18/11/2009 12:18:52 AM 614 Views
The strength comparisons don't make sense... Shannow - 17/11/2009 06:26:05 PM 1273 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Lordling - 17/11/2009 06:55:39 PM 1082 Views
BS also says in this context... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:05:25 PM 1093 Views
If you read it in context, the list he is referring to is a female list... Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:41:18 PM 1148 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:48:36 PM 974 Views
How do we explain BS stating that he is "pretty sure Nynaeve is stronger than Semirhage?" Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:51:39 PM 1525 Views
Difficult... Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:58:41 PM 1155 Views
Pahus! Yeah, you´re correct *NM* Lordling - 17/11/2009 07:59:49 PM 564 Views
Re: The strength comparisons don't make sense... Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:22:38 PM 1267 Views
I think he mis-spoke just a bit VTHokie - 17/11/2009 07:37:24 PM 972 Views
He wasn/t 100% sure of Semirhage... *NM* Shannow - 17/11/2009 07:44:11 PM 544 Views
forgetting Cyndane, it does kcf - 17/11/2009 08:56:16 PM 1157 Views
No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... Etzel - 17/11/2009 09:43:04 PM 1212 Views
Re: No Forsaken knew, when the Cleansing would happen... kcf - 17/11/2009 09:48:31 PM 1053 Views
Talaan and Someryn are pure guesses from Dom... Shannow - 17/11/2009 10:06:56 PM 1137 Views
Elayne at the beginning of PoD thinks Talaan is at least as great as Nyn NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:23:31 AM 1036 Views
She defeats her (eventually) guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:08:08 AM 992 Views
Sharina for sure NaClH2O - 18/11/2009 12:10:08 AM 1024 Views
Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 07:07:03 PM 1011 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Kaldric - 17/11/2009 07:30:07 PM 1119 Views
It almost has to be Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 07:30:32 PM 1056 Views
I agree, Justice makes the most sense plotwise! *NM* Etzel - 17/11/2009 07:49:41 PM 680 Views
But here's the thing.... Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:27:55 PM 1121 Views
I think the clues still point to it being Justice Matrimony Cauthon - 17/11/2009 10:37:44 PM 1221 Views
I was just making argument Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 11:05:18 PM 1113 Views
Guaire Amalasan! Legolas - 18/11/2009 12:50:09 AM 1140 Views
Maybe Hawkwing took Justice from Amalasan after the Battle of the Jolvaine Pass? Werthead - 18/11/2009 02:09:03 AM 1182 Views
That was the crazy part - I named him as one of LitN's "other channelers producing weapons". Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:17:25 AM 1018 Views
Re: Guaire Amalasan! Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:18:37 AM 1150 Views
And I appreciate your arguments! Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 08:49:55 AM 1074 Views
Perhaps it's a "Sword for the Ages" Light in the Night - 18/11/2009 09:26:00 AM 1000 Views
Where does it say it was found in water? guttering flame - 18/11/2009 09:36:52 AM 942 Views
Min's PoV said that it was found in water underneath a statue Matrimony Cauthon - 18/11/2009 09:47:12 AM 1077 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! DomA - 17/11/2009 07:58:31 PM 1096 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! kcf - 17/11/2009 09:07:23 PM 1003 Views
Re: Thanks Ken! Light in the Night - 17/11/2009 10:41:27 PM 979 Views
Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? Logain - 17/11/2009 11:11:48 PM 1236 Views
Re: Thank you Ken for the report. You aren't pulling our leg are you? kcf - 17/11/2009 11:26:30 PM 1076 Views
My theories of what Brandon could have meant about Cyndane. Logain - 17/11/2009 11:25:30 PM 1196 Views
Who is the Aiel chick with all the one power strength? I forget who, but she is Shaido. *NM* Logain - 17/11/2009 11:34:42 PM 565 Views
Someryn *NM* kcf - 17/11/2009 11:38:42 PM 570 Views
One of the women stronger than Nynaeve is probably a Sharan Logain - 17/11/2009 11:53:12 PM 989 Views
don't read too much into this kcf - 18/11/2009 12:00:19 AM 993 Views
It could be true Logain - 18/11/2009 02:14:50 AM 1016 Views
This is RJ's Wheel of Time we're talking about. Not David Eddings. *NM* Legolas - 18/11/2009 02:18:08 AM 554 Views
Cyndane's body guttering flame - 18/11/2009 06:22:45 AM 1002 Views
Not her body, her identity - that she is Lanfear... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:38:21 AM 958 Views
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