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Re: Someryn Logain Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM
As you said, theoretically Graendal or Mesaana could be on the same level, or maybe Mesaana and Moghedien.

Who are the six strongest women on the "new list" then?
Alivia and Semirhage are pretty much a given. Maybe Talaan, Sharina and Someryn (though Someryn seems to be weaker than Graendal, otherwise Graendal had commented on it). Possibly at least one other super damane at Fortuona's court.


I think the 6 are:
Lanfear,
Alivia,
Sharina,
Talaan,
Semirhage (my gut feel says Sanderson's memory was indeed faulty and that the tiny gap between Semirhage and Nynaeve is actually the other way around from his tentative recollection. KCF's personal input would be great here, to get a feel for Sanderson's tone of voice when he said this.)

And then one more. I don't like the Someryn idea. From Graendal's tone she certainly did not seem to suggest that Someryn was actually stronger than herself.
Maybe someone we don't know of yet.


If I remember correctly, Graendal remarks that Someryn is strong. I believe she tells Sammael she won't teach Someryn certain things, and I paraphrase "because I won't risk both strength and skill" in someone like Someryn. In other words, we already know the Forsaken consider themselves in a whole other league, in terms of skill. Graendal is admitting Someryn has great strength. And as we see in Forsaken, they NEVER want to admit someone is stronger than themselve. So, Graendal possibly discredits Someryn's superior strength by highlighting her lack of skill. It's the classic thing people do all the time. If someone is better than you at something (i.e. Someryn is stronger than Graendal) then you draw attention away from that by changing the subject (e.g. Someryn lacks the skill that Graendal has).

I think Someryn is stronger than Graendal. At the very least, my explanation above is possible. We do have some missing people on the list of 6. Why couldn't one of them be Someryn?
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2108 Views
Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1027 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1065 Views
Re: Someryn - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1074 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 943 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1040 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 960 Views
As I understand it... - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1036 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1092 Views
Agreed. - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 891 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 697 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 985 Views
Re: Sounds good - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 902 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 883 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 907 Views
One problem... - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1087 Views
No... - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 993 Views
That's not a problem. - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 941 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 842 Views
Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 970 Views
Re: Sorry buddy - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 864 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1135 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1172 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 969 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 547 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 572 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1011 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 685 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 588 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 966 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 755 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 883 Views
IMO... - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1004 Views
I don't know... - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 877 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1184 Views
That just doesn't make sense... - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 996 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 573 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 837 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 733 Views
I don't think... - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1068 Views
Damane never recieve special status... - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 855 Views
Good point... - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 894 Views
Thing is... - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 932 Views
My point was... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 933 Views
I agree *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 536 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 844 Views
Sera must be stronger... - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 841 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 890 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 844 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 900 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 906 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 769 Views
You misunderstand me... - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 858 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 837 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 564 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 409 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 736 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 974 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 760 Views
I have one problem with your list. - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 951 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 813 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 856 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 893 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 947 Views
I think it goes like this: - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 900 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 960 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 854 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 885 Views
Where does she say this? - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 895 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 895 Views
Here are the quotes... - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 912 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 799 Views
I could say the same... - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 818 Views
So let me get this straight... - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 836 Views
No... - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 892 Views
Look at it this way... - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 868 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 766 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 928 Views
Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 986 Views
Re: Totally disagree... - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 861 Views
Males likely go like this... - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 821 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 834 Views
Disagree... - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 950 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 794 Views
About the top 6... - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 885 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 921 Views
That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 805 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 851 Views
Well... - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 850 Views
This is getting idiotic... - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 844 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 844 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 810 Views
Disagreement - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 951 Views
Some more from Brandon... - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 850 Views
So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 656 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 939 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 800 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 886 Views
Thoughts - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 949 Views

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