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Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM


I STILL believe Semirhage and Nynaeve are either equal, or Semirhage is the slightly stronger one. Why was Sanderson in doubt?

I cannot see how Sanderson would not mention it if Smeirhage might be stronger. He gave two possibilities, why not the third? The answer is that Semirhage is definitely not stronger than Nynaeve.
I disagree that Cyndane is equal to Semirhage. While Sanderson was in doubt regarding who of Nynaeve and Semirhage is the stronger, he had no hesitation in placing Cyndane below Nynaeve.

True. But Semirhage and Cyndane might still be equals, because otherwise, there are even more levels between the Forsaken than we thought.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2578 Views
Sounds good Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1425 Views
Re: Sounds good Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1546 Views
Re: Someryn Logain - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1529 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1402 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1494 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... Shannow - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1434 Views
As I understand it... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1475 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1543 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1348 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 1190 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list kcf - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1461 Views
Re: Sounds good kcf - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1314 Views
Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:12:57 PM 1452 Views
Re: Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? kcf - 18/11/2009 07:15:22 PM 1602 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1349 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... kcf - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1384 Views
But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:26:17 PM 1407 Views
Re: But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. kcf - 18/11/2009 07:31:35 PM 1408 Views
That blows a heck of a lot of this theory out of the water... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:33:39 PM 1394 Views
it's possible, but I'd say unlikely kcf - 18/11/2009 07:34:32 PM 1411 Views
One problem... Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1520 Views
No... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1434 Views
That's not a problem. Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1383 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1271 Views
Sorry buddy Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1382 Views
Re: Sorry buddy rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1340 Views
Are you able to give any more detail on Sanderson's answer to your Cyndane question? Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:02:17 PM 1381 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1583 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1611 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. Logain - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1415 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 774 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 779 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1458 Views
As late as CoS, Nynaeve states that she is not close to her full potential yet. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:04:47 PM 775 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. Wotmaniac Reborn - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 1114 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 816 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. Gher - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1393 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 1194 Views
Re: Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:07:05 PM 1410 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Tedtheman - 18/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 1267 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1338 Views
IMO... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1472 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1352 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1639 Views
That just doesn't make sense... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1439 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 772 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1303 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 1169 Views
Talaan, Alivia and Sharina reduced my estimation of Nynaeve dramatically... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:54:29 PM 1396 Views
All this can be explained by the fact that Nynaeve was yet to reach her potential. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:25:41 PM 1402 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1497 Views
Damane never recieve special status... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1347 Views
Good point... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1352 Views
Thing is... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1370 Views
Lanfear cannot even defeat Rand. Nynaeve wouldn't last a minute against him. Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:13:06 PM 1618 Views
And Rand couldn't defeat Lanfear. What's your point? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:26:06 PM 1167 Views
He could. RJ stated it in a Q&A. Rand just couldn't bring himself to do it... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:45:18 PM 1171 Views
But so could Lanfear, and both had angreal, confusing the situation considerably. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:47:25 PM 1217 Views
My point was... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1350 Views
I agree *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 738 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1277 Views
Sera must be stronger... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1294 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1354 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1276 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1354 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1369 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 1215 Views
You misunderstand me... Etzel - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1302 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1261 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:29 PM 1429 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 843 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 619 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 1140 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1432 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 1183 Views
I have one problem with your list. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1387 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 1258 Views
I totally agree. Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage. This was also confirmed by BS *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:56:30 PM 726 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1330 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1352 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1387 Views
I think it goes like this: Logain - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1368 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. Logain - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1387 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1287 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1344 Views
Helpless at her strength at the time, or helpless at Egwene's full potential? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:26:15 PM 738 Views
Egwene was forced, so she was already at her full potential when she made this comment. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:45:08 PM 741 Views
I admit she was forced, but how does that guarantee she was at full strength? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 08:06:40 PM 747 Views
I'm 90% sure it is stated somewhere... *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:10:03 PM 734 Views
Egwene was at her full strength. Elayne comments on this in The Shadow Rising IIRC. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 08:34:37 PM 1402 Views
She only says that Egwene is stronger and had been forced darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 01:54:56 AM 1381 Views
Where does she say this? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1334 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1338 Views
Here are the quotes... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1563 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1254 Views
I could say the same... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1273 Views
So let me get this straight... Shannow - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1322 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1349 Views
Look at it this way... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1313 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 1204 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. Logain - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1423 Views
Totally disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1441 Views
Re: Totally disagree... Logain - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1318 Views
Males likely go like this... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1305 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1309 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1368 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 1226 Views
About the top 6... Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1325 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1369 Views
That's ridiculous... Shannow - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 1271 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1300 Views
Well... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1332 Views
This is getting idiotic... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1295 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1280 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1252 Views
Graendal could not face down Rand. And if she thinks she can it is b/c she has an angreal. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:49:00 PM 686 Views
But Rand did not know of her angreal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 12:03:21 AM 709 Views
Rand knows he can beat Graendal in a heads-up-duel. Graendal knows she would lose. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 10:07:27 PM 752 Views
Disagreement Corwin - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1398 Views
Some more from Brandon... kcf - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1289 Views
So we're back where we started? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 1083 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? kcf - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1411 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 1248 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1374 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1418 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:55:51 PM 1261 Views
we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:36:50 PM 1263 Views
Re: we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:17:48 PM 1305 Views
winning in TAR had nothing to do with OP strength... that was pure skill and later Moghedien lost! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:14:26 PM 1256 Views
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