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Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel Send a noteboard - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM
It would be ridiculous if Tuon's most formidable damane is weaker than the basically "Joe Random damane" Alivia.

But this is a personal retinue. It makes more sense, with the way the Seanchan view things, that the strongest damane would be at the frontlines, rather than making fireworks for the nobility.

Its like saying the best Senachan assassin is the one who protects Tuon. But we know that Selucia will not hold a candle to the Bloodknives. And they're used only for front of the line battles.


Tuon also never expresses any anger that the Seanchan lost their most powerful damane, Alivia. I bet Tuon doesn't even know that Alivia exists. It only makes sense that there are some stronger damane than Alivia, as said, one of them most likely Tuon's strongest.
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Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Shannow - 18/11/2009 05:56:58 PM 2675 Views
Sounds good Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:08:15 PM 1487 Views
Re: Sounds good Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:12:53 PM 1627 Views
Re: Someryn Logain - 18/11/2009 06:20:44 PM 1631 Views
I acknowledge that possibility... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:24:30 PM 1477 Views
Someryn implies that Graendal is stronger. Rurouni_Kenshin - 19/11/2009 01:51:31 PM 1576 Views
Excellent point...I'd forgotten about that... Shannow - 19/11/2009 02:00:30 PM 1495 Views
As I understand it... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:23:26 PM 1540 Views
My view is that the new list is just a revised one, after RJ changed his mind on some things... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:28:53 PM 1612 Views
Agreed. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:31:22 PM 1426 Views
I suppose that's possible. *NM* Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:31:42 PM 1264 Views
I agree with this interpretation on the new vs. old list kcf - 18/11/2009 07:13:02 PM 1535 Views
Re: Sounds good kcf - 18/11/2009 07:11:17 PM 1383 Views
Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:12:57 PM 1514 Views
Re: Did it sound like Sanderson knew the names of all 6 women above Nynaeve? kcf - 18/11/2009 07:15:22 PM 1658 Views
Also, a couple more questions, if I may... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:18:50 PM 1414 Views
Re: Also, a couple more questions, if I may... kcf - 18/11/2009 07:23:45 PM 1452 Views
But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:26:17 PM 1487 Views
Re: But you said that you asked him whether Cyndane was one of the 6, and he said no. kcf - 18/11/2009 07:31:35 PM 1475 Views
That blows a heck of a lot of this theory out of the water... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:33:39 PM 1451 Views
it's possible, but I'd say unlikely kcf - 18/11/2009 07:34:32 PM 1471 Views
One problem... Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:10:06 PM 1577 Views
No... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:14:48 PM 1493 Views
That's not a problem. Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 06:31:37 PM 1444 Views
Why on earth would there be multiple restrictions on Cyndane's strength? Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:47:56 PM 1345 Views
Sorry buddy Rand al'Thor - 18/11/2009 07:36:00 PM 1440 Views
Re: Sorry buddy rhiane - 18/11/2009 09:49:01 PM 1404 Views
Are you able to give any more detail on Sanderson's answer to your Cyndane question? Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:02:17 PM 1455 Views
But Nynaeve and Mogheiden were of equal strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 06:15:52 PM 1645 Views
Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:19:07 PM 1666 Views
I agree...and I have a question regarding Moghedien. Logain - 18/11/2009 06:30:07 PM 1490 Views
Cyndane has to be above Graendal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:33:16 PM 817 Views
You're right. I'll post new list below. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:39:36 PM 822 Views
Was she? Nyn was mid20s and a wilder, I thought she had reached full strength beetnemesis - 18/11/2009 08:00:24 PM 1514 Views
As late as CoS, Nynaeve states that she is not close to her full potential yet. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:04:47 PM 810 Views
She really hasn't had that much time channelling though. Wotmaniac Reborn - 18/11/2009 08:07:31 PM 1175 Views
Wilders rarely reach their full potential if they're blocked. *NM* fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:43:30 PM 849 Views
I know the Cleansing forced her a bit. Gher - 18/11/2009 08:44:59 PM 1452 Views
That's been said before- anyone know where it says that in the text? beetnemesis - 19/11/2009 05:53:50 AM 1257 Views
Re: Nynaeve matched Moghedien when Nynaeve was not close to her full potential yet... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 08:07:05 PM 1466 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... Tedtheman - 18/11/2009 06:22:50 PM 1345 Views
More or less agreed. I was right about Nynaeve! fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:29:27 PM 1393 Views
IMO... Etzel - 18/11/2009 06:37:19 PM 1534 Views
I don't know... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:56:10 PM 1435 Views
I still think Alivia is below Lanfear's strength level... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:59:01 PM 1703 Views
That just doesn't make sense... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 07:02:17 PM 1506 Views
I agree that Lanfear and Alivia are tied. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:06:19 PM 803 Views
All of my instincts indeed argue that 4 of the Forsaken CANNOT be below Nynaeve, but... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:06:25 PM 1373 Views
But why doesn't it make sense? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:47:42 PM 1222 Views
Talaan, Alivia and Sharina reduced my estimation of Nynaeve dramatically... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:54:29 PM 1466 Views
All this can be explained by the fact that Nynaeve was yet to reach her potential. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:25:41 PM 1480 Views
I don't think... Etzel - 18/11/2009 07:08:09 PM 1552 Views
Damane never recieve special status... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:52:32 PM 1413 Views
Good point... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:00:51 PM 1415 Views
Thing is... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:10:45 PM 1429 Views
Lanfear cannot even defeat Rand. Nynaeve wouldn't last a minute against him. Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:13:06 PM 1705 Views
And Rand couldn't defeat Lanfear. What's your point? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:26:06 PM 1231 Views
He could. RJ stated it in a Q&A. Rand just couldn't bring himself to do it... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:45:18 PM 1225 Views
But so could Lanfear, and both had angreal, confusing the situation considerably. fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:47:25 PM 1282 Views
My point was... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1402 Views
I agree *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:10:46 PM 771 Views
If Tuon had the strongest... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:12:22 PM 1341 Views
Sera must be stronger... Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:25:00 PM 1354 Views
There's no reason to be certain about it... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:28:26 PM 1412 Views
Well, the Bloodknives are precisely Tuon's tools Etzel - 18/11/2009 09:32:46 PM 1329 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:28 PM 1417 Views
There are six stronger women named on the list Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:40:52 AM 1440 Views
I'm not ignoring Sera! fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:13:43 PM 1279 Views
You misunderstand me... Etzel - 19/11/2009 06:16:31 PM 1378 Views
I doesn't make "sense". Let's leave it... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:52 PM 1317 Views
There are SIX women stronger than Nynaeve, and at least five are accounted for... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:46:29 PM 1517 Views
But Alivia (while strong in the OP) is an old fraile lady on her deathbed. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:41:33 PM 874 Views
Pardon? Don't understand this really. *NM* Etzel - 19/11/2009 11:45:21 AM 666 Views
You keep saying Alivia was "a common damane" darius_sedai - 28/11/2009 08:58:42 PM 1220 Views
You were right about Nynaeve, I was right about Graendal! Well done! Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:37:42 PM 1504 Views
Yes. This is one WoT debate coming to a close... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 06:54:06 PM 1240 Views
I have one problem with your list. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 06:36:02 PM 1452 Views
RJ said the Forsaken ALWAYS overrate themselves... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:54:45 PM 1321 Views
I totally agree. Mesaana is weaker than Semirhage. This was also confirmed by BS *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 06:56:30 PM 754 Views
Mesaana is cold and calculating. Kaldric - 18/11/2009 07:03:49 PM 1399 Views
I'm sorry, but I find it mindblowing that you find this mindblowing. TaskmasterJack - 18/11/2009 06:36:37 PM 1411 Views
Some of us have been debating this for 5 years on Wotmania... Shannow - 18/11/2009 06:57:08 PM 1443 Views
I think it goes like this: Logain - 18/11/2009 06:53:07 PM 1430 Views
There is a side effect to all of this rearrangement...we may have to rethink the wonder girls. Logain - 18/11/2009 07:04:17 PM 1445 Views
We'll have to re-read the sections where Moghedien is captured. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 07:08:07 PM 1348 Views
Damn. That's a thought I definitely DON'T relish. Thankfully... Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:09:18 PM 1407 Views
Helpless at her strength at the time, or helpless at Egwene's full potential? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 07:26:15 PM 772 Views
Egwene was forced, so she was already at her full potential when she made this comment. *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 07:45:08 PM 770 Views
I admit she was forced, but how does that guarantee she was at full strength? *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 08:06:40 PM 784 Views
I'm 90% sure it is stated somewhere... *NM* Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:10:03 PM 768 Views
Egwene was at her full strength. Elayne comments on this in The Shadow Rising IIRC. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 18/11/2009 08:34:37 PM 1462 Views
She only says that Egwene is stronger and had been forced darius_sedai - 29/11/2009 01:54:56 AM 1444 Views
Where does she say this? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:54:39 PM 1387 Views
No, she explicitly refers to herself vs Moghedien... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:01:53 PM 1395 Views
Here are the quotes... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:24:24 PM 1690 Views
Oh come on. You're totally twisting that passage to suit your argument... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:54:56 PM 1317 Views
I could say the same... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:50:44 PM 1337 Views
So let me get this straight... Shannow - 19/11/2009 06:44:03 AM 1412 Views
No... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 07:37:29 AM 1429 Views
Look at it this way... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:23:06 AM 1442 Views
Dude, there were other quotes... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:15:32 PM 1268 Views
What about Sammael? The debate about Sammael and Rahvin has been decided now too. Logain - 18/11/2009 08:03:35 PM 1490 Views
Totally disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:08:34 PM 1517 Views
Re: Totally disagree... Logain - 18/11/2009 08:22:07 PM 1385 Views
Males likely go like this... Shannow - 18/11/2009 08:27:27 PM 1394 Views
Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:05:28 PM 1367 Views
Disagree... Shannow - 18/11/2009 09:09:45 PM 1430 Views
Disagree back... for the last time though... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 09:39:25 PM 1286 Views
About the top 6... Shannow - 18/11/2009 10:08:37 PM 1399 Views
And One Power Battles turn political on a regualr basis, do they? fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 10:54:35 PM 1425 Views
That's ridiculous... Shannow - 19/11/2009 07:19:08 AM 1356 Views
Re: That's ridiculous... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 08:08:14 AM 1408 Views
Well... Shannow - 19/11/2009 10:29:45 AM 1408 Views
This is getting idiotic... fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 06:19:08 PM 1357 Views
Re: Dude, Rand is scared of Graendal... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:31:18 PM 1364 Views
If Rahvin were stronger... fionwe1987 - 18/11/2009 08:59:32 PM 1319 Views
Graendal could not face down Rand. And if she thinks she can it is b/c she has an angreal. *NM* Logain - 18/11/2009 09:49:00 PM 717 Views
But Rand did not know of her angreal. *NM* fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 12:03:21 AM 753 Views
Rand knows he can beat Graendal in a heads-up-duel. Graendal knows she would lose. *NM* Logain - 28/11/2009 10:07:27 PM 785 Views
Disagreement Corwin - 19/11/2009 01:39:49 AM 1476 Views
Some more from Brandon... kcf - 19/11/2009 04:29:41 AM 1355 Views
So we're back where we started? fionwe1987 - 19/11/2009 04:56:36 AM 1138 Views
Re: So we're back where we started? kcf - 19/11/2009 05:18:15 AM 1483 Views
Someone must ask him: Is Cyndane one of the 6 above Nynaeve. Shannow - 19/11/2009 05:35:10 AM 1320 Views
My opinion: down this path lies insanity. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 19/11/2009 02:53:59 PM 1462 Views
Thoughts Heiko - 19/11/2009 04:55:09 AM 1490 Views
Re: Thanks to Sanderson, we now have a DEFINITIVE female Forsaken strength list... The_Archer - 10/12/2010 07:55:51 PM 1328 Views
we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength darius_sedai - 10/12/2010 08:36:50 PM 1332 Views
Re: we know from a direcet quote in TPoD that Nynaeve had not yet reached full strength The_Archer - 10/12/2010 09:17:48 PM 1379 Views
winning in TAR had nothing to do with OP strength... that was pure skill and later Moghedien lost! darius_sedai - 11/12/2010 04:14:26 PM 1311 Views
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