We had a lengthy, in-depth conversation of the potential possibilities of gateways back on wotmania.
The close issues I had addressed were what happens when a) the pressure on either side of the gateway is different, or, especially, the gravitational field is different on either side of the gateway.
Imagine (for the sake of it) that you're floating in outer space, looking at earth. You open up a gateway directly in front of you, and the gateway's other opening is much closer to earth--say, one-half the distance. The question now is, do you feel the pull of the earth through the gateway? I assume you would, since Rand feels cold air through Aviendha's gateway to Seanchan. So here's the question: gravity's force of attraction is proportional to the inverse square of the distance. Thus, from the gateway's entrance point, one should feel a force of, say, 2 newtons. At the gateway's exit point, one should feel a force of 8 newtons. So, can you feel the 8 newtons of gravitational pull through the gateway? Does it add to the 2 newtons that you already feel outside of the gateway?
You could make this more complicated by placing multiple gateways such that you get gravity-feedback, and essentially feel an infinite amount of force.
The close issues I had addressed were what happens when a) the pressure on either side of the gateway is different, or, especially, the gravitational field is different on either side of the gateway.
Imagine (for the sake of it) that you're floating in outer space, looking at earth. You open up a gateway directly in front of you, and the gateway's other opening is much closer to earth--say, one-half the distance. The question now is, do you feel the pull of the earth through the gateway? I assume you would, since Rand feels cold air through Aviendha's gateway to Seanchan. So here's the question: gravity's force of attraction is proportional to the inverse square of the distance. Thus, from the gateway's entrance point, one should feel a force of, say, 2 newtons. At the gateway's exit point, one should feel a force of 8 newtons. So, can you feel the 8 newtons of gravitational pull through the gateway? Does it add to the 2 newtons that you already feel outside of the gateway?
You could make this more complicated by placing multiple gateways such that you get gravity-feedback, and essentially feel an infinite amount of force.
If the Forsaken really wanted to defeat the Light - gateways at the bottom of the ocean...
- 20/11/2009 02:02:59 PM
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I've actually thought that would be a great way to make a power plant.
- 20/11/2009 02:48:21 PM
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The Forsaken don't think like that
- 20/11/2009 02:57:27 PM
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I specifically referred to Ishamael, who shares none of those motivations with the other Forsaken...
- 20/11/2009 03:11:26 PM
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What in the world... outer space?? This is fantasy, not sci-fi
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- 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM
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- 20/11/2009 03:08:26 PM
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RJ has stated that channelers can Travel to other planets, even other solar systems...
- 20/11/2009 03:12:37 PM
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I didn't expect him to answer that question, it was just something I was wondering about
- 20/11/2009 04:06:53 PM
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OK...
- 20/11/2009 05:15:32 PM
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Moghedien talks about how they travelled to other stars in the Age of Legends...
- 20/11/2009 06:09:17 PM
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Because it is a world that is undergoing an industrial revolution
- 21/11/2009 01:19:28 AM
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This brings up an "Evil Wins, What Next?" scenario I've always wondered about
- 20/11/2009 03:39:14 PM
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The DO doesn't have the motivations of the forsaken, he doesn't think like a human...
- 22/11/2009 03:38:15 PM
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They would have to know the bottom of the ocean very well to create. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 05:02:50 PM
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Wouldn't be too hard, given Rand's trick. *NM*
- 20/11/2009 05:12:22 PM
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Intense preasure would kill you before you could weave or a hell of a shield bubble *NM*
- 20/11/2009 07:01:58 PM
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Yeah, this has actually been discussed
- 20/11/2009 05:50:21 PM
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Gateway "magic" accounts for this, or most gateways would have STRONG breeze
- 20/11/2009 06:43:44 PM
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Very conducive places, the bottom of the sea and outer space...
- 20/11/2009 07:01:56 PM
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Knee jerk disagreement without thinking beyond: "I don't like the idea so let's flame it..."
- 20/11/2009 07:12:38 PM
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And your response is even sillier ideas? Think for more than three minutes before responding again.
- 20/11/2009 11:08:59 PM
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You need to go read FoH again...
- 21/11/2009 03:35:01 AM
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The Silliness Continues-Part IV of Shannow's crazy ways to commit suicide...
- 21/11/2009 05:44:34 AM
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On the limits of power
- 21/11/2009 07:32:44 AM
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Great question. These fundamental issues are the REAL challenges to be overcome, yes...
- 21/11/2009 07:50:46 AM
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Fluids CAN move across gateways on their own. We saw it with the draft of wind in tGS. *NM*
- 21/11/2009 01:32:46 PM
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Oh, and regarding the new Travelling skill Nynaeve mentions in tGS...
- 21/11/2009 08:03:45 AM
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Ah, thanks
- 21/11/2009 08:10:48 AM
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Actually, I just reread that passage, and now I'm confused again...
- 21/11/2009 08:30:17 AM
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Its pretty simple...
- 21/11/2009 08:07:14 PM
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You don't learn a place when you Travel TO it...
- 21/11/2009 08:23:11 PM
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The same issue again...
- 21/11/2009 08:58:37 PM
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They might have shared Gateways, so only those who wove them know the area? *NM*
- 21/11/2009 10:00:04 PM
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That has to be the first sensible question broached in this thread...
- 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM
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- 21/11/2009 09:18:59 PM
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The simplest explanation'd be that GWs can't be opened in water, since it moves/changes constantly
- 20/11/2009 07:27:08 PM
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Or balefire Rand. Wait a few generations near Dragonmount, kidnap all children born on the slopes...
- 20/11/2009 09:07:46 PM
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Why didn't Frodo and Sam just ride the Eagles to Mt. Doom, and toss the Ring then fly back? *NM*
- 20/11/2009 10:35:17 PM
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Actually here's an even simpler idea: open a gateway into a Black Hole. *NM*
- 21/11/2009 01:53:38 AM
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You can't...there aren't any Black Holes close enough...
- 21/11/2009 03:22:38 AM
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Doubtful
- 21/11/2009 03:29:35 AM
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Surely Moridin could channel enough of the True Power... *NM*
- 21/11/2009 01:19:05 PM
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Moridin cannot channel any more of the True Power than he can of the One Power.
- 21/11/2009 01:58:30 PM
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