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Beowulf did end badly, though Tom Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 05:40:52 AM
As I remember, a dragon killed him. Never underestimate the ancients (or early mediaevals) when tragedy is on the line. ;)

Regarding Lovecraft, well, I always put him in the "horror" subgenre, which means you don't expect good to win a lot. Perhaps that's part of why I like reading him. You don't know how it's going to end.

Regarding WoT, I don't see the Shadow as poised to win. Everything that they've done seems to fail. Aginor and Balthamel were killed by a tree in Book 1 and the Trolloc army was routed. In Book 2 we have Rand's big victory at Falme in the clouds. In Book 3 two Forsaken were offed and the Stone of Tear fell to the Aiel. In Book 4 Rand took charge of the Aiel. In Book 5 he wasted Rahvin. It was prophecy fulfillment after prophecy fulfillment, with good consistently winning. Book 6 is my favourite because Rand WASN'T in control. The Shadow actually seemed to have a strategy for the first time in the whole series. I'm not sure how effective it is, but it's there.

However, we haven't seen that bone-chilling moment when good realises that it was duped. I'm reminded of the second book of Mistborn - I won't say more if you haven't read it but I highly doubt that. You sit there and realise that things that seemed hard were just staged to seem hard...that some incredible force has been TOYING with people all along.

We haven't had anything remotely like that in Wheel of Time. It's all been a bit two-dimensional, really. Of course, that could change now. I'm hoping it will. A great cliffhanger at the end of Towers of Midnight would make people start to wonder if evil really will win (because good is dumb).
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