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Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf Send a noteboard - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM

It matters, because the two are different, and we have no proof that being Burned Out can be Healed. Also, I don't see how stilling is an option here, unless Lanfear stilled Lanfear.


I understand the difference - I'm actually one of those people who thinks that burning out can't be healed, but I'm willing to concede that it just may be very difficult.

I said it doesn't really matter since I simply think their ability to channel ended in finnland through either burning our or severing. Personally, I hope that Moiraine is burned out and cannot be healed.

If Lanfear were burned out rather than severed, it does add some complications. I suppose the it is possible that the TP can be used to heal as well (afterall, it can heal things that the OP cannot - such as madness). That would be an interesting complication.

I suppose it's also possible that Lanfear was stilled as part of her 'sentencing' by the Finn if such an even occurred. But, it's unclear if the Finns could do this - they may need a special ter'angreal to do so and I'm not sure why one would exist.


If she was burned out, Flin may well be unable to Heal her. Also, I think the burning of the gateway is just as good an explanation for the snapping of the bond as being burned out.


I agree with the first part, but I disagree with the destruction of the doorway being a simpler explanation - I've gone into it elsewhere above, so I won't repeat it here.

This is the part I have the most trouble with.
1)I know BS said a burned out channeler remains so when transmigrated, but this doesn't make much sense to me. When a soul is Reborn, the damage done to its channeling ability in a previous life is erased. This implies that as soon as the soul is free of the body, its channeling ability is restored.
I fail to see why the same won't be the case with transmigration. And the fact that Brandon isn't somewhat sure of this points to it not being significant in the whole Lanfear mystery.
2)Unless Moiraine somehow stilled Lanfear (or maybe the Finn did, though I don't see this being possible), Lanfear must have gotten burned out, by your theory. But we have no idea if burning out can be Healed. That is a pretty major assumption.
3)Even if Lanfear was indeed Healed, her current strength makes no sense at all. Siuan says she has barely a lick of her former power. The same is definitely not true of Lanfear. Cyndane is weaker, but still astonishingly strong.
4)It is unlikely that any of the Forsaken women Healed her. Mesaana tells Demandred she is weaker. If she was the one who Healed her, this would hardly be a surprise. Plus, she cannot Heal. Semirhage likely doesn't know the weave, and almost certainly wouldn't Heal her old enemy. Graendal is ruled out. Moggy is too, both because she cannot Heal and also because she saw Cyndane's cour-sourva on Moridin when she was taken by Shaidar Haran.
A Yellow from the Rebel camp is possible, but that still leaves us with Cyndane's strength as an issue.


I think these are all reasonable comments and I have addressed them in part in other posts above. I do agree that Brandon's answer that severing/burning out carries over with transmigration doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but it's what we have to work with right now. I think he answered it because we've forced him to look more into the Cyndane situation lately (I think he would have as starts to write about it, but just hadn't gotten there yet). Do to this, he's more familiar with it right now and felt confident giving that answer. The only reason I can see why he'd have that info on hand is if the situation has or will occur in the books - this points directly toward Cyndane.

This is the most simple and reasonable explanation for things as we know them now. IMO, other theories are unecessarily complicated, and therefore not very likely.

This explanation is neither simple not reasonable. Questions abound, from whether Lanfear would be burned out when transmigrated, to how she can still be so strong.

Well, I obviously disagree - I stand by it being the most</> simple explanation because I fell the others are more complicated. Partially as a result of it being the most simple explanation, I also find it the most reasonable explanation. Clearly, a lot people don't feel as I do on this - which is fine. We'll all find out what happened in ToM.
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Moiraine and Lanfear kcf - 01/12/2009 10:24:54 PM 1478 Views
Healing, huh? Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 10:58:00 PM 851 Views
Re: Healing, huh? Nate - 01/12/2009 11:12:53 PM 904 Views
yep kcf - 01/12/2009 11:19:23 PM 759 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 01:15:47 AM 1085 Views
Re: yep kcf - 02/12/2009 04:44:32 PM 826 Views
Re: yep darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 05:37:41 PM 636 Views
I'm betting she decides to stay a non-channeler and put her past behind her. *NM* RandAllThor - 01/12/2009 11:09:32 PM 508 Views
I don't think Moiraine was stilled. Gher - 01/12/2009 11:19:03 PM 784 Views
what about Lan's bond kcf - 01/12/2009 11:23:35 PM 738 Views
I think that the doorway melting did that. Gher - 02/12/2009 12:49:02 AM 851 Views
Not manually Knightscape - 02/12/2009 07:13:09 AM 663 Views
Not sure, but it seemed like she planned for it. At one point BlackAdder - 02/12/2009 01:23:36 AM 652 Views
Rand wasn't stilled when beetnemesis - 02/12/2009 06:48:42 AM 700 Views
The doorway melting and snapping the bond is simple enough for me *NM* Deadsy - 01/12/2009 11:24:07 PM 390 Views
as I said above, far too many assumptions in that idea *NM* kcf - 01/12/2009 11:27:12 PM 412 Views
Re: Moiraine and Lanfear Fred Gaidin - 01/12/2009 11:27:49 PM 694 Views
Not just an assumption. Tansu Targli - 01/12/2009 11:38:56 PM 768 Views
Re: Not just an assumption. Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:45:26 PM 707 Views
it can kcf - 01/12/2009 11:40:40 PM 754 Views
Re: it can Fred Gaidin - 02/12/2009 02:51:21 PM 869 Views
I think that since Moiraine was in another dimension, the Bond passed to the closest holder. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 01/12/2009 11:43:15 PM 733 Views
but she'd been there before kcf - 01/12/2009 11:51:41 PM 814 Views
I don't understand why you think there are too many assumptions darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 12:57:50 AM 775 Views
Exactly. Thanks for translating in fewer words than I would have used *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 02/12/2009 04:21:06 PM 482 Views
that assumes quite a bit about the structure of the bond kcf - 02/12/2009 07:45:37 PM 748 Views
no more than the assumptions of the actions take on the other side of the door! darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:51:59 AM 806 Views
My only complaint... Rand al'Thor - 02/12/2009 12:34:34 AM 699 Views
Best. Slashfic. EVER! The Name With No Man - 02/12/2009 12:38:06 AM 859 Views
BS not committing to the Cyndane = Lanfear scenario has me wondering as well Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 02:51:30 AM 929 Views
The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" Tom - 02/12/2009 05:26:23 AM 690 Views
Re: The only possibility is "something weird" if Cyndane ISN'T just "Lanfear" AliasRY - 02/12/2009 05:46:30 AM 742 Views
That would be absolutely hilarious!!! *NM* Tom - 02/12/2009 05:49:01 AM 395 Views
That'd blow some minds. *NM* Gher - 02/12/2009 05:56:06 AM 424 Views
Maybe they put some of Ilyena in Cyndane. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:52:01 PM 795 Views
LOL ... Lanfear doesn't need Ilyena to be an LTT stalker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:09:02 PM 733 Views
Right, But Ilyena Doesn't Need Lanfear for That Either. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:17:29 PM 733 Views
I'm 99.99% sure RJ said that the DO had to grab a soul quickly after death or it was lost darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:13:18 PM 611 Views
Never Said It Had to Be the DO. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 09:43:58 PM 608 Views
it would indeed be a totall shocker! darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 09:50:16 PM 864 Views
Weird is a given, I think Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 07:12:45 AM 867 Views
It may be as simple as... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:42:50 AM 670 Views
I didn't see any sexual connotation attached to it.... Light in the Night - 02/12/2009 10:38:07 AM 679 Views
Not sexual, no... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:12:15 PM 685 Views
Cairheinin to the Core. Joel - 04/12/2009 07:03:23 PM 734 Views
Haven't you people ever seen a contortionist? darius_sedai - 04/12/2009 07:12:20 PM 630 Views
I Don't Believe I Have, Now That You Mention It. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 07:18:32 PM 657 Views
See Above. The Name With No Man - 04/12/2009 06:54:47 PM 816 Views
I doubt it kcf - 02/12/2009 08:55:23 PM 672 Views
Maybe it's a wild goose chase. Joel - 04/12/2009 06:44:55 PM 828 Views
There are several holes with this scenario... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 02:18:28 AM 849 Views
On Transmitigation vs rebirth: Gher - 02/12/2009 02:35:23 AM 1160 Views
Agreed, the angreal theory seems most likely IMO (about Lanfear/Cyndane) *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:39:55 AM 346 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... Sidious - 02/12/2009 09:05:34 AM 861 Views
On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 09:40:27 AM 595 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 02/12/2009 11:24:38 AM 632 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... fionwe1987 - 02/12/2009 06:16:57 PM 690 Views
Re: On Cyndane's strength... Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:39:45 AM 845 Views
But that doesn't explain why Leane and Siuan are now essentially equal darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:21:47 PM 704 Views
oops I double posted this! *NM* darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:23:02 PM 376 Views
I don't think they're equal Sidious - 03/12/2009 04:43:13 AM 655 Views
There is no deference, which would be expected in their "game" of hating each other darius_sedai - 03/12/2009 07:38:57 AM 865 Views
Re: There are several holes with this scenario... kcf - 02/12/2009 09:08:00 PM 851 Views
I don't think they were stilled or burned out. Tom - 02/12/2009 04:37:09 AM 601 Views
I have no opinion on the theory (yet), but Wotmaniac Reborn - 02/12/2009 04:42:36 AM 663 Views
Disagree. There's no way they don't. Gher - 02/12/2009 05:26:00 AM 669 Views
Moridin mentions it kcf - 02/12/2009 04:33:01 PM 623 Views
Re: Moridin mentions it darius_sedai - 02/12/2009 06:13:20 PM 673 Views
Moiraine will make a huge difference to TG (Min's viewing) so I think she will need to channel. *NM* Lord Haart - 02/12/2009 05:38:03 AM 402 Views
Min doesn't channel, and she makes a big difference. As does Thom. *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 02/12/2009 09:57:10 AM 379 Views
agreed - Moiraine doesn't need to channel to make a difference *NM* kcf - 02/12/2009 04:38:50 PM 394 Views
Yub, I generally agree Etzel - 02/12/2009 11:56:03 AM 626 Views
I'm always nervous when we agree kcf - 02/12/2009 04:24:51 PM 660 Views
I think it's cool! Etzel - 02/12/2009 06:01:32 PM 624 Views
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