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The main differences between the two oaths randfandom Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM
Did anyone else react with surprise to Egwene's strong reaction to a 4th oath of fealty, when she herself extracted a similar oath (albeit not on the oath rod) from Theodrin, Faolain, and others?


While not completely ethical, there is a difference here:

1. Egwene did not have them swear "obedience" but fealty - which is what Aes Sedai owe their Amyrlin anyway - she was rectifying the imbalance caused by them treating her as a puppet.

2. Egwene did not have them swear on the Oath Rod. I am pretty sure there is a difference in how binding an oath is if it is sworn directly on the oath rod and if it is not. We've seen a woman nearly choke to death when inadvertantly told to tell a lie after swearing the oath to obey. On the other hand, Beonin's oath of fealty did not prevent her from switching allegiance to Elaida at the first opportune moment. She was able to circumvent her oath quite easily by convincing herself that Egwene is not Amyrlin. Somehow I doubt it would have worked had she sworn on the Oath rod.

However, I do agree that Egwene tends to have blinders when it comes to her actions. Her attitudes towards Rand and resentment of his decisions and privileges is evident throughout the series. It is a failing shared by all Aes Sedai however (except for Nynaeve and Moiraine).
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Egwene - hypocrite Taer - 10/12/2009 01:20:24 PM 1559 Views
Re: Egwene - hypocrite Elvira_Sedai - 10/12/2009 01:33:00 PM 1081 Views
Not the same at all really Sidious - 10/12/2009 02:12:36 PM 816 Views
How do you explain the BA Hunters? Taer - 10/12/2009 02:21:28 PM 757 Views
I agree. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 03:03:49 PM 720 Views
Agreed Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:01:40 PM 613 Views
Disagree Taer - 10/12/2009 04:50:13 PM 709 Views
Just Agree to Disagree *NM* Great Lord of Chaos - 11/12/2009 12:53:46 PM 281 Views
What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:51:05 PM 726 Views
Well... Sidious - 10/12/2009 03:58:48 PM 709 Views
Don't be ridiculous Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:05:46 PM 604 Views
But... fionwe1987 - 10/12/2009 05:54:39 PM 592 Views
She threatened, or made an implied threat, to reveal what they had done. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:11:43 PM 602 Views
Re: What crime? Accepting her unethical promotions? Being afraid of the Hall's injustice? randfandom - 10/12/2009 09:08:08 PM 647 Views
It does NOT violate Tower Law, as Myrelle herself said, and Siuan admits. Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:23:25 PM 630 Views
I can't decide if you just don't understand the books at all darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 05:14:22 AM 552 Views
I have doubts about RJ's brain if he actually believed some of the crap he has characters spew Cannoli - 17/12/2009 12:26:52 PM 591 Views
Let he who has no sin cast the first stone redhand - 10/12/2009 04:34:06 PM 640 Views
Re: Let he who has no sin cast the first stone Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:41:33 PM 583 Views
Leane too darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 06:09:31 AM 572 Views
Not really DomA - 10/12/2009 03:06:30 PM 693 Views
But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. redhand - 10/12/2009 04:42:51 PM 628 Views
Re: But what the Amylin said is law, like how she raised those Accepted. DomA - 10/12/2009 11:04:47 PM 655 Views
Really Taer - 10/12/2009 04:52:10 PM 591 Views
Re: Really DomA - 10/12/2009 11:56:30 PM 687 Views
No she was right, and even her blackmail, as reprehensible as that was, was not an act of tyranny Cannoli - 10/12/2009 03:56:41 PM 765 Views
Sure. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 05:03:00 PM 574 Views
Actually, I agree. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 06:47:22 PM 582 Views
I like Egwene Taer - 10/12/2009 07:08:24 PM 639 Views
That really disappointed me. Fanatic-Templar - 10/12/2009 07:29:14 PM 675 Views
funny, I'm more of the mind set that both groups were right darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:02:50 AM 601 Views
Not the problem. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 12:13:26 AM 542 Views
I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:13:31 AM 604 Views
Re: I do agree with DomA and the others on the point that Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 08:20:19 AM 666 Views
*shrugs* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:06:47 PM 619 Views
You have no basis for that assertion. Fanatic-Templar - 11/12/2009 07:12:03 PM 600 Views
Not really the case darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:43 PM 596 Views
They refuse to reveal the Ajah Heads to Egwene, despite her express orders. Doubt Meidani could... fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:44:23 AM 699 Views
Ah, true that. Fanatic-Templar - 12/12/2009 07:20:04 PM 600 Views
Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 12/12/2009 09:02:55 PM 573 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 04:16:56 AM 610 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 - 13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM 650 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? Fanatic-Templar - 13/12/2009 07:35:10 PM 557 Views
Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? darius_sedai - 13/12/2009 08:27:53 PM 550 Views
Not true. Fanatic-Templar - 14/12/2009 02:41:28 AM 660 Views
I agree with most of your point darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 09:49:18 PM 683 Views
Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... randfandom - 11/12/2009 12:57:49 AM 573 Views
Re: Fealty swearing sisters are no longer around... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:18:33 AM 592 Views
The main differences between the two oaths randfandom - 10/12/2009 07:00:55 PM 824 Views
Of course she is a hypocrite Knightscape - 11/12/2009 05:22:56 AM 611 Views
The same can be said of Nynaeve and Mat darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:20:47 AM 620 Views
Probably because they're all human Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:43:53 PM 544 Views
darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:05:13 PM 636 Views
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