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Re: Who said she wasn't wrong? fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 13/12/2009 08:12:25 AM

Is that a typo or are you subconsciously unwilling to admit Egwene's erring?

Typo it is!

Hmm. Well, we can hope. I'm more surprised at the absence of any mention of the Logain lie. Especially when we think of how violently Pevara reacted to seeing one of the ferrets, I'd have expected Elaida at least to rant about it. So maybe you are right. I think RJ was aware of this facet of Egwene's personality, as he used it elsewhere too, as I'll explain below.

I was surprised by that too. It really was shoddy writing to ignore that. Especially with her acceptance of the Reds, and choosing a Keeper from among them. I mean, the whole thing could be dealt with easily. Someone asks her if the Reds aren't to be punished for their crimes. She says TG is in the offing, and such things cannot be worked out now. Matter solved for the moment at least. But no...


That's not the problem. Of course she won't. But hypocrisy is the pretense of having moral or virtuous character that one does not in fact possess. Every time she rants about the immorality of someone else using the Oaths to Compel Aes Sedai, she is implying her own moral superiority to them, and using that to her advantage, when she is in fact equally guilty of such actions.

First, I think I've proved that what she did was indeed not the same as using the Oath Rod.
Second, notice what happens with the BA hunters. She accepts their explanation that they needed the fourth Oath to carry their extraordinary plan forward. It is only when they overstep and ask Meidani to do something she certainly would not of her own free will, something that had nothing to do with their extraordinary situation and everything to do with their convinience, that Egwene gets really pissed.
It was the equivalent of Egwene commiting murder in front of the sisters sworn to her and ordering them to never reveal what they knew. I don't know if she could enforce this, but if she could and did, and then condemned the BA hunters, then you'd have a basis to talk.

A similar incident from Egwene is when, in an attempt to prevent Nynaeve from revealing her lies to the Wise Ones, she punishes Nynaeve for lying.

And did Egwene claim to be a paragon of honesty? Read the scene again... Nynaeve is talking about following the rules and speaking the truth, when Egwene challenges her by saying Nynaeve herself was not honest. She was dealing with Nynaeve's hypocrisy, not saying that she was honest and Nynaeve was not.
As an analogy, think of your elder brother accusing you of playing while not doing your homework. Ten minutes ago, he himself was doing the exact same thing, so you call him out on it (in a reprehensible and none too pleasant manner). Are you a hypocrite, or are you calling him out on his hypocrisy?


Of course. But that still means she cannot distinguish the effects of the two.

What two? Blackmail and Compulsion? Of course she can!
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