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Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* Etzel Send a noteboard - 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM
I guess he "sowed some chaos," but at least on-screen, Demandred hasn't done anything major, so that's the only reason he isn't a failure.


And Demandred is at least the only Forsaken who never died, was never defeated by Rand & Co. (except for the Cleansing, but that was a group defeat) or humiliated by the DO/SH yet. That's not so bad! ;)


Graendal has been in this category until her probably death by mega-balfefire in TGS...
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Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue Sidious - 10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM 1690 Views
Oh you are being unfair! darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM 798 Views
LOL. Are you implying Mesaana killed Asmodean? *NM* Logain - 10/12/2009 07:13:27 PM 313 Views
That would be a funny twist, but in reality I think we all know darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 08:10:16 PM 683 Views
Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM 805 Views
Mesaana was motivated out of... Logain - 10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM 726 Views
Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM 286 Views
Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred. Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM 780 Views
But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM 672 Views
I think that just proves SH isn't gay! *NM* fionwe1987 - 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM 299 Views
Or it could just prove darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM 645 Views
Re: Or it could just prove RugbyPlayingAshaman - 11/12/2009 07:00:57 PM 568 Views
I agree, but I think it's about the DO being totally random darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:07:17 PM 651 Views
Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling? Datakim - 12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM 621 Views
I don't ever want to find out who Demandred is Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:47:58 PM 593 Views
Imagine how bad it would be if BlackAdder - 11/12/2009 11:22:56 PM 609 Views
I would say... Etzel - 10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM 710 Views
he hasn't really done anything lankyevilme - 10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM 708 Views
But the point is valid darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 05:32:12 PM 834 Views
I'm pretty sure he did something... Etzel - 10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM 697 Views
Re: I'm pretty sure he did something... darius_sedai - 10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM 583 Views
Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* Etzel - 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM 585 Views
Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM* darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM 560 Views
I tend to agree Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:52:51 AM 728 Views
I think Demandred is pretty smart... Etzel - 11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM 619 Views
of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM 586 Views
Is it smart to take a risk... Etzel - 11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM 574 Views
I think your making a lot of assumptions darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM 593 Views
Well... Etzel - 11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM 613 Views
Re: Well... darius_sedai - 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM 735 Views
I agree that Demandred will fail in the end. Etzel - 12/12/2009 11:00:59 AM 593 Views
Either a Channeler or Mat darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:41:09 PM 529 Views
According to RJ... Sidious - 12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM 675 Views
makes you wonder darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM 630 Views
Re: makes you wonder Etzel - 12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM 567 Views
Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me! darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM 570 Views
Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM 550 Views
It amounts to the same thing darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM 597 Views
Then you could also say... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM 548 Views
no actually you cannot darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM 565 Views
Ah, I give up... Etzel - 12/12/2009 04:50:07 PM 562 Views
thanks for your permission darius_sedai - 12/12/2009 04:53:01 PM 585 Views
To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM* RandAllThor - 10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM 327 Views
Yup, especially if she is a higher-up AS in the tower. Lord Haart - 10/12/2009 05:57:12 PM 650 Views
Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes... Shannow - 10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM 807 Views
Well... Sidious - 11/12/2009 06:55:17 AM 638 Views
That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO Deadsy - 11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM 610 Views
I'll respond to someone who wants to say that beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM 698 Views
Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but... Deadsy - 11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM 571 Views
Slayer/Luc/Isam is also pretty cool. Lord Haart - 12/12/2009 04:16:14 PM 599 Views
One theme of tGS was "The Forsaken are actually pretty lame" beetnemesis - 11/12/2009 05:12:55 PM 635 Views
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