I guess he "sowed some chaos," but at least on-screen, Demandred hasn't done anything major, so that's the only reason he isn't a failure.
And Demandred is at least the only Forsaken who never died, was never defeated by Rand & Co. (except for the Cleansing, but that was a group defeat) or humiliated by the DO/SH yet. That's not so bad!

Graendal has been in this category until her probably death by mega-balfefire in TGS...
Graendal is presumed dead (okay odds are heavily in favor of her beign gonzo) ... and really, Demandred might as well be dead for all the use he's been! Regardless, Demandred's being alive merely points out that the friggin coward is hanging around doing nothing! He's as bad as Moghedien!
It's a huge condemnation when your only accomplishment is to still be alive. "Is she a good lawyer?" "Well, she isn't dead yet." Hmm.. of all the Forsaken he had the means to truly destroy Rand at any stage of the series, but now Rand is truly more powerful than all of them.
I still maintain that Demandred is a huge coward, despite his rants about being a risk taker. He will never face Rand unless his odds of winning are overwhelming - even his closest ally said so. His preference for proxies is a strong indicator of cowardice and self-preservation, and even at the Cleansing he was very upset that he had to be there to channel personally. It's so ridiculous because only a chapter or two before he was excited to get to kill Rand, but when the time came he moaned about it. He does that often too - he says that the Chosen know not to challenge him but Graendal mocks him and he just stands there. I think Sammael saw through Demandred, and a great many readers do. I think he's arguably the most intelligent and skilled man walking the planet, but he'll never challenge a reasonable enemy. He shares a trait with Moghedien like that.
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This message last edited by Sidious on 11/12/2009 at 06:53:32 AM
Two idiot Forsaken in the Prologue
- 10/12/2009 04:31:10 PM
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Oh you are being unfair!
- 10/12/2009 04:49:31 PM
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Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred.
- 10/12/2009 04:56:32 PM
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Mesaana was motivated out of...
- 10/12/2009 07:16:43 PM
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Ah, then she would be more of an idiot than I thought. 2nd Rate indeed. *NM*
- 10/12/2009 08:19:05 PM
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Re: Yes; this pretty much matched my expectations - esp. for Demandred.
- 11/12/2009 06:47:43 AM
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But BS said that Shaidar Haran couldn't do things in the physical world without aid.
- 11/12/2009 03:20:59 PM
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I think that just proves SH isn't gay!
*NM*
- 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM
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*NM*
- 11/12/2009 04:07:47 PM
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Or it could just prove
- 11/12/2009 05:42:33 PM
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Did he say he could not touch things, or that he just could not counter uber-channeling?
- 12/12/2009 12:30:40 AM
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I would say...
- 10/12/2009 04:58:15 PM
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he hasn't really done anything
- 10/12/2009 05:25:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure he did something...
- 10/12/2009 05:33:04 PM
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Re: I'm pretty sure he did something...
- 10/12/2009 07:51:25 PM
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Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM*
- 10/12/2009 08:29:24 PM
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Re: Yeah, but now Graendal is dead, while Demandred is still alive. *NM*
- 11/12/2009 12:17:54 AM
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I tend to agree
- 11/12/2009 06:52:51 AM
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I think Demandred is pretty smart...
- 11/12/2009 11:45:58 AM
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of course he's never set foot anywhere close to anything long enough
- 11/12/2009 02:11:19 PM
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Is it smart to take a risk...
- 11/12/2009 02:22:18 PM
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I think your making a lot of assumptions
- 11/12/2009 05:40:47 PM
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Well...
- 11/12/2009 06:04:47 PM
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Re: Well...
- 11/12/2009 07:15:06 PM
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According to RJ...
- 12/12/2009 12:32:12 PM
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makes you wonder
- 12/12/2009 03:39:08 PM
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Re: makes you wonder
- 12/12/2009 03:47:18 PM
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Thanks for the BS quote, that's new news to me!
- 12/12/2009 03:55:37 PM
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Moridin didn't want to betrayal Sammael...
- 12/12/2009 04:07:49 PM
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It amounts to the same thing
- 12/12/2009 04:12:42 PM
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Then you could also say...
- 12/12/2009 04:22:30 PM
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no actually you cannot
- 12/12/2009 04:46:03 PM
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To be fair, Mesaana's brood of channelers promise could still come to fruition. *NM*
- 10/12/2009 04:58:28 PM
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Sanderson's first attempt at portraying the Forsaken based on character summaries in RJ's notes...
- 10/12/2009 05:29:51 PM
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That was RJ's biggest flaw, IMO
- 11/12/2009 02:45:41 PM
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I'll respond to someone who wants to say that
- 11/12/2009 05:19:52 PM
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Ya. Fain's a good exception. I still have hopes for him. And... Thereva was scary, but...
- 11/12/2009 08:32:38 PM
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