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Two things... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 02:03:23 PM

This attack ordered by "Sammael" was rather done to discredit Demandred in the Nae'blis' eyes and confuse the other Forsaken. Such a mind-game fits Graendal. If it had weakened Rand's group, much the better. But I doubt that any Forsaken could really believe that they would kill Rand with this army, especially after the Cleansing experience.

And on Fain, he also wants to kill Rand personally. I doubt that he would send an army against him. It's also not really his M.O. (besides the problem, if Fain could pose as Sammael, etc.).

Graendal is the one Forsaken who knew that Sammael was dead. To disguise herself as him would obviously be idiotic, and create a scandal, which it in fact did. The fool who was prancing around as Sammael must have considered him to still be alive, and took a chance to frame him, or discredit him in Moridin's eyes. Graendal wouldn't use such a disguise any more than she'd go around as Asmodean or Be'lal.

Semirhage on the other hand is curious about most of the Forsaken's fates, and she could have made this error. Demandred might well have too.

Graendal also doesn't use military strategy. It's almost completely excluded from her persona.

Firstly, I've read and reread your quote from Graendal which supposedly eliminates her as a suspect, and I don't see how you get to your conclusion. Sending Trollocs to try and kill Rand is EXACTLY what someone would do if they don't want to face him directly themselves.

As for Demandred not realising that Sammael is dead, well, he is in fact the first one who says that it cannot be Sammael because he has could not have remained in hiding for so long. So if you exclude Graendal as a suspect based on her suspecting Sammael to be dead, then you have to exclude Demandred as well, since he came to the same conclusion.

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Part of a mystery from KoD is solved Logain - 14/12/2009 08:37:45 PM 1824 Views

Only SH can distinguish saidin and saidar Etzel - 14/12/2009 08:46:31 PM 1183 Views

I think this Mydraal in question was Shaidar Haran 1.5, was it not? I don't remember. *NM* Marshall - 14/12/2009 08:50:24 PM 462 Views

SH obviously wasn't one of the Myrddraal, who were ordered by "Sammael" to attack Rand. *NM* Etzel - 14/12/2009 08:53:43 PM 395 Views

Graendal's streith gown gives a lot away... Shannow - 14/12/2009 08:53:49 PM 1864 Views

Yes... Etzel - 14/12/2009 09:00:26 PM 1002 Views

Why would she be worried about that if she ordered it, though? BlackAdder - 15/12/2009 02:01:10 AM 947 Views

I think she excludes herself in TGS Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:39:18 AM 1080 Views

Very interesting argument... Shannow - 14/12/2009 08:49:08 PM 1081 Views

Alviarin's Mark doesn't give her control over shadowspawn. RJ told us this in a Q&A. Marshall - 14/12/2009 08:49:50 PM 939 Views

Link please to the RJ quote. *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 03:31:06 PM 371 Views

Here is the quote: Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:35:34 PM 866 Views

Thanks! So we can eliminate Alviarrin for sure! *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 03:50:05 PM 358 Views

I always thought it was Demandred kcf - 14/12/2009 08:59:01 PM 1440 Views

I saw Demandred's comment to mean the following: Shannow - 14/12/2009 09:07:26 PM 1032 Views

I also interpreted... Etzel - 14/12/2009 09:17:19 PM 910 Views

I've always thought it was Semirhage's doing darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 09:39:18 PM 879 Views

I agree Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:14 AM 987 Views

In my view... Etzel - 15/12/2009 07:32:18 AM 847 Views

Graendal is low on my list Sidious - 15/12/2009 01:47:20 PM 914 Views

Posing as Sammael is Graendal's modus operandi Etzel - 15/12/2009 01:58:34 PM 903 Views

Re: Posing as Sammael is Graendal's modus operandi Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:21:07 PM 1118 Views

But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:42:27 PM 951 Views

Re: But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:01:40 PM 863 Views

I think it makes perfect sense Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:20:28 PM 852 Views

Two things... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:03:23 PM 919 Views

Re: Two things... Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:24:42 PM 970 Views

Let's look at purpose and method... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:34:36 PM 987 Views

I don't think it makes much sense that this was a test Etzel - 15/12/2009 07:20:52 AM 955 Views

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<quote id="61253"><quote id="61207">This attack ordered by "Sammael" was rather done to discredit Demandred in the Nae'blis' eyes and confuse the other Forsaken. Such a mind-game fits Graendal. If it had weakened Rand's group, much the better. But I doubt that any Forsaken could really believe that they would kill Rand with this army, especially after the Cleansing experience.

And on Fain, he also wants to kill Rand personally. I doubt that he would send an army against him. It's also not really his M.O. (besides the problem, if Fain could pose as Sammael, etc.). </quote>

Semirhage on the other hand is curious about most of the Forsaken's fates, and she could have made this error. Demandred might well have too.

Graendal also doesn't use military strategy. It's almost completely excluded from her persona.</quote>

As for Demandred not realising that Sammael is dead, well, he is in fact the first one who says that it cannot be Sammael because he has could not have remained in hiding for so long. So if you exclude Graendal as a suspect based on her suspecting Sammael to be dead, then you have to exclude Demandred as well, since he came to the same conclusion.
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