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Two things... Shannow Send a noteboard - 15/12/2009 02:03:23 PM
This attack ordered by "Sammael" was rather done to discredit Demandred in the Nae'blis' eyes and confuse the other Forsaken. Such a mind-game fits Graendal. If it had weakened Rand's group, much the better. But I doubt that any Forsaken could really believe that they would kill Rand with this army, especially after the Cleansing experience.

And on Fain, he also wants to kill Rand personally. I doubt that he would send an army against him. It's also not really his M.O. (besides the problem, if Fain could pose as Sammael, etc.).


Graendal is the one Forsaken who knew that Sammael was dead. To disguise herself as him would obviously be idiotic, and create a scandal, which it in fact did. The fool who was prancing around as Sammael must have considered him to still be alive, and took a chance to frame him, or discredit him in Moridin's eyes. Graendal wouldn't use such a disguise any more than she'd go around as Asmodean or Be'lal.

Semirhage on the other hand is curious about most of the Forsaken's fates, and she could have made this error. Demandred might well have too.

Graendal also doesn't use military strategy. It's almost completely excluded from her persona.


Firstly, I've read and reread your quote from Graendal which supposedly eliminates her as a suspect, and I don't see how you get to your conclusion. Sending Trollocs to try and kill Rand is EXACTLY what someone would do if they don't want to face him directly themselves.

As for Demandred not realising that Sammael is dead, well, he is in fact the first one who says that it cannot be Sammael because he has could not have remained in hiding for so long. So if you exclude Graendal as a suspect based on her suspecting Sammael to be dead, then you have to exclude Demandred as well, since he came to the same conclusion.
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Part of a mystery from KoD is solved Logain - 14/12/2009 08:37:45 PM 1399 Views
Only SH can distinguish saidin and saidar Etzel - 14/12/2009 08:46:31 PM 755 Views
I think this Mydraal in question was Shaidar Haran 1.5, was it not? I don't remember. *NM* Marshall - 14/12/2009 08:50:24 PM 276 Views
SH obviously wasn't one of the Myrddraal, who were ordered by "Sammael" to attack Rand. *NM* Etzel - 14/12/2009 08:53:43 PM 233 Views
Graendal's streith gown gives a lot away... Shannow - 14/12/2009 08:53:49 PM 1405 Views
Yes... Etzel - 14/12/2009 09:00:26 PM 609 Views
Why would she be worried about that if she ordered it, though? BlackAdder - 15/12/2009 02:01:10 AM 552 Views
I think she excludes herself in TGS Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:39:18 AM 702 Views
Very interesting argument... Shannow - 14/12/2009 08:49:08 PM 675 Views
Alviarin's Mark doesn't give her control over shadowspawn. RJ told us this in a Q&A. Marshall - 14/12/2009 08:49:50 PM 529 Views
Link please to the RJ quote. *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 03:31:06 PM 213 Views
Here is the quote: Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:35:34 PM 493 Views
Thanks! So we can eliminate Alviarrin for sure! *NM* Logain - 15/12/2009 03:50:05 PM 204 Views
I always thought it was Demandred kcf - 14/12/2009 08:59:01 PM 904 Views
I saw Demandred's comment to mean the following: Shannow - 14/12/2009 09:07:26 PM 621 Views
I also interpreted... Etzel - 14/12/2009 09:17:19 PM 504 Views
I've always thought it was Semirhage's doing darius_sedai - 14/12/2009 09:39:18 PM 509 Views
I agree Sidious - 15/12/2009 04:44:14 AM 598 Views
In my view... Etzel - 15/12/2009 07:32:18 AM 470 Views
Graendal is low on my list Sidious - 15/12/2009 01:47:20 PM 505 Views
Posing as Sammael is Graendal's modus operandi Etzel - 15/12/2009 01:58:34 PM 530 Views
Re: Posing as Sammael is Graendal's modus operandi Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:21:07 PM 729 Views
But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:42:27 PM 518 Views
Re: But if she want's to appear as Sammael, she would surely "act in character"... Sidious - 15/12/2009 03:01:40 PM 469 Views
I think it makes perfect sense Etzel - 15/12/2009 03:20:28 PM 444 Views
Two things... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:03:23 PM 503 Views
Re: Two things... Sidious - 15/12/2009 02:24:42 PM 557 Views
Let's look at purpose and method... Shannow - 15/12/2009 02:34:36 PM 539 Views
I don't think it makes much sense that this was a test Etzel - 15/12/2009 07:20:52 AM 518 Views
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