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Goodness Abunderment Send a noteboard - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM
Mode is entirely irrelevant. Did you mean this? This just adds confusion to a discussion that is CRIPPLED by mathematical incompetence.



not to a Bell Curve... mode=median=mean which is why the debates rage since we've been told by the author that OP strength follows a bell curve distribution.


Set aside confusion between data and the distribution thereof.

He surely did not mean a perfect bell curve, did he? Like, that's impossible in any real world data set, isn't it? Roll 2 perfect dice a trillion times - sum is unlikely to be perfect normal distribution.

And we know that most people can't channel, and of those that can (3%?) most never do. So mode/median will surely be less than mean?

It can still a bell (skewed) if it is not perfect.

Darius, why so pedantic on the irrelevancies while fast & loose with the big picture?

Offer to help if you can divulge data stands.

NB: mode is not informative because data values are not discrete - mode is a function of arbitrary measurement system.
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I've been playing with some numbers since we've been having all of these OP strength debates darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 06:34:05 PM 1194 Views
There are 21 levels, not 100. More later. *NM* fionwe1987 - 20/12/2009 07:23:18 PM 412 Views
RJ has said a number of times that the 21 level scale darius_sedai - 20/12/2009 07:35:25 PM 607 Views
Few glaring errors... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:04:55 PM 787 Views
Re: Few glaring errors... darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:52:18 AM 747 Views
You don't get it, do you... Shannow - 21/12/2009 08:19:00 AM 670 Views
Didn't you claim that Eggy+Rom+Lel cannot match a male forsaken? Now they can match Lanfear? fionwe1987 - 21/12/2009 04:14:32 PM 565 Views
That only strengthens my point. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:23:39 PM 610 Views
No it does not. fionwe1987 - 28/12/2009 02:45:42 AM 660 Views
What you are missing is that darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 06:46:04 PM 622 Views
I'm not missing it at all.. Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:58:04 PM 642 Views
Let's try matching that with the actual text darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 03:01:36 PM 640 Views
Not correct... Shannow - 22/12/2009 03:29:24 PM 706 Views
Believe as you like, I'm not here to convince you to otherwise, I'm stating how I read the evidence darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:01:24 PM 615 Views
You're reading the evidence wrong. Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:27:17 PM 593 Views
RJ also pointed out that Alivia's skill set as a weapon came in handy darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:40:35 PM 565 Views
I thought a power law distribution is much more likely, TBH redhand - 20/12/2009 09:39:21 PM 668 Views
Yes. It essentially refers to a skewed histogram - biased to the lower end of the range... Shannow - 20/12/2009 09:53:18 PM 721 Views
Corrections Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 01:48:43 AM 726 Views
No... Shannow - 21/12/2009 07:47:58 AM 625 Views
True, the application of this model is inconsistent *NM* Shadowkiller - 21/12/2009 02:34:26 PM 541 Views
Not if you point out that the average AS is not as strong as the overall average channeler darius_sedai - 25/12/2009 04:30:17 AM 599 Views
yet RJ has said flat out that OP strength is on an Bell Curve. Meaning the majority of channelers darius_sedai - 21/12/2009 07:36:22 AM 601 Views
Perhaps... Phelix - 21/12/2009 07:52:13 AM 664 Views
I've always hated bell curves Ryan - 21/12/2009 03:56:26 PM 612 Views
The most logical answer is that the average AOL channeler was stronger than the current average... Shannow - 21/12/2009 06:36:07 PM 609 Views
and that in no way maps to any kind of Bell Curve darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 06:02:41 PM 499 Views
Why? Shannow - 22/12/2009 06:34:25 PM 621 Views
Can you provide the quote where RJ tells us the darius_sedai - 22/12/2009 07:45:04 PM 540 Views
Always go back to the evidence... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:03:42 PM 695 Views
I'll respond when you can actually provide a few actual quotes to support any of this darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:20:44 PM 604 Views
Name an item you dispute and I will provide the quote.... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:19:49 PM 590 Views
it's addressed below darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:23:58 PM 604 Views
I've been looking into this a bit... and you really do overstate things to suit your arguments darius_sedai - 24/12/2009 06:15:44 PM 620 Views
And in looking for quotes for another thread I came across this gem darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 09:54:34 PM 610 Views
Nice! It proves what I've been saying for ages... fionwe1987 - 29/12/2009 10:13:41 PM 638 Views
Which is why I contend that they are about 80% of Lanfear darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 10:16:07 PM 589 Views
I wasn't trying to rip him a new one. Phelix - 22/12/2009 09:38:43 PM 513 Views
I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 08:35:23 PM 632 Views
Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... Shannow - 22/12/2009 09:21:07 PM 641 Views
Re: Except that gateway size is used multiple times by characters to judge comparative strength... RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/12/2009 11:32:21 PM 718 Views
I agree that it's practically impossible to determine strength darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 03:19:49 PM 634 Views
How convenient. And by the way, it is NOT tied to a Talent. Anyone who is strong enough, can Travel. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 04:36:24 PM 376 Views
Seriously go re-read the series, how can you have missed that Traveling is a Talent? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 04:54:51 PM 521 Views
It is a weave, the knowledge of which guarantees that you can use it, if you are strong enough... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:35:36 PM 616 Views
Yet every AS can Heal to a degree and Cloud Dancing involves weaves too darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:41:42 PM 646 Views
Lews Therin can't Heal. Aginor can't Heal. If you don't have the Talent, you can't do it. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:52:02 PM 372 Views
LTT and Aginor have "Little Ability" with Healing darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:02:13 PM 648 Views
Because the channelers THEMSELVES don't use Healing to judge each other's strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:06:58 PM 571 Views
The Channelers state that there is a minimum level of strength to make the Weave work darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:11:55 PM 741 Views
Beonin's Gateway darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:30:25 PM 597 Views
No, it makes her 25% as strong as Rand! Thanks for proving my model to be virtually perfect! Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:36:53 PM 568 Views
Nope, Beonin shouldn't be that strong! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:48:30 PM 564 Views
This is true, however... lyringlas - 23/12/2009 04:55:48 PM 664 Views
Aviendha's gateway size doesn't decrease. She is just less energy efficient in creating it... Shannow - 23/12/2009 05:30:17 PM 844 Views
Aviendha is suffering from the second weave limitation darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 05:37:45 PM 686 Views
Conceded. My faulty memory is to blame in this case. But it doesn't change the rule... Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:01:33 PM 540 Views
I'll give you that there is a stength limitation to Traveling darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:06:41 PM 580 Views
Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:08:17 PM 346 Views
Re: Why do the characters in the books judge each other's strength on gateway size then? darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:20:18 PM 604 Views
And there you have it...Thank you. Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:27:24 PM 594 Views
And linked with Romanda and Lelaine darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:34:42 PM 588 Views
Sorry. That's pure speculation on your part. *NM* Shannow - 23/12/2009 06:38:43 PM 361 Views
No more than yours is! darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 06:49:57 PM 619 Views
That entire passage is in the context of strength... Shannow - 23/12/2009 07:55:50 PM 524 Views
You need to re-read some of this stuff darius_sedai - 23/12/2009 11:01:15 PM 653 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:38:43 PM 598 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population *NM* Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:41:01 PM 322 Views
Re: I don't think we have a representative sample of the mode in this population darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 06:37:50 PM 577 Views
Goodness Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:37:23 AM 628 Views
I'm working within the context of what we've been told by the author darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:43:31 AM 580 Views
Since you love Wiki so much darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:55:09 AM 585 Views
No you are not Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:58:28 AM 635 Views
Dude we're discussion works of fiction darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 04:08:12 AM 650 Views
Dumb Bell Distribution of Mongoloid Turings Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:36:50 AM 698 Views
Back to school AS, and you will be able to do this Abunderment - 26/12/2009 12:34:39 PM 554 Views
The problem we're working with is that RJ says strength follows a Bell Curve distribution darius_sedai - 26/12/2009 03:29:26 PM 590 Views
And RJ knew his maths (and you don't) Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:22:09 AM 622 Views
I'm not the one who said OP strength followed a Bell Curve Distribution darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:34:55 AM 582 Views
You are the one who is MIS-USING his statement Abunderment - 31/12/2009 03:44:26 AM 571 Views
darius_sedai - 31/12/2009 03:48:20 AM 892 Views
The pathos of Darius Abunderment - 31/12/2009 04:26:15 AM 598 Views
Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) knightmarea7x - 29/12/2009 12:46:13 AM 513 Views
Re: Is Lanfear the strongest?(now) darius_sedai - 29/12/2009 04:21:47 PM 582 Views
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