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I agree. Gher Send a noteboard - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM
But most likely not when she was involved with Rand. She may have reported on her escapades with Rand in TGH to her superiors, but I don't think she ever sabotaged Rand. I don't doubt that she sowed discord among his 'followers' who were scheming like crazy behind his back, but her plan was to help the Dragon Reborn, and at that point she'd decided that Cadsuane could be trusted. (I can't quite remember, but IIRC the scene mentioned in the original post is after Verin decides not to poison her isn't it?)

And in the years leading up to Rand's birth and Moiraine's discovery of him, Verin probably killed, tortured, kidnapped and jaywalked with the best of them. But then she was there to help Rand.


But she certainly implies that she had to juggle the BA leadership's orders where she could... like giving Egwene notes on the 13 that left and the items they took. She slipped in what extra information she could without betraying her oaths, and gave the the Stone Ring ter'angreal without their knowing etc... but that's just typical AS slipperiness.

But it's also clear that she believes that she had done many things that she could not be forgiven for ... I wonder if we'll learn more about her actions...


But I think she did the vast majority of her evil deeds before Rand showed up. She may even have built up a reputation as someone who killed at the drop of a hat, so she could live off that when the Last Battle came.

Whatever the story, I find it highly unlikely that she ever tried to create suspicion among Rands true followers. So she wouldn't sic Cadsuane on Sorilea unless Verin herself thought Sorilea was a DF.
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A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:20:20 AM 2722 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:46:01 AM 1207 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 04:47:58 AM 1174 Views
I wondered at the phrasing of that passage ... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 03:41:36 AM 968 Views
Heh, you ironically misspelled "spell" *NM* Gher - 14/01/2010 04:47:55 AM 617 Views
RJ was Aes Sedai to the core! darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:33:45 AM 1099 Views
It's funny, but I know very few women (none) IRL who act like AS, but RJ definitely fits their MO RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 05:00:00 PM 964 Views
I don't think I've ever heard a woman actually "sniff" at someone either darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:09:07 PM 993 Views
I was under the impression that SH got the Band DREWRULESWOT! - 14/01/2010 09:10:48 AM 960 Views
I, too, have suspicions ... Yondaime - 13/01/2010 06:11:12 AM 1133 Views
I agree! darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:13:10 AM 984 Views
I doubt that there is anything in the book .... Yondaime - 14/01/2010 02:58:47 AM 931 Views
Re: I doubt that there is anything in the book .... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:44:39 AM 833 Views
Wow, you should add a spoiler alert to your thread. amirebram - 13/01/2010 06:36:45 AM 1024 Views
Why couldn't have Elza got them? brett014 - 13/01/2010 06:42:03 AM 1077 Views
Re: Didn't Shadar Haran free Semirage? BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:44:56 AM 1099 Views
IMO Bair is also a suspect darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:18:15 AM 905 Views
SH has all kinds of strange powers NaClH2O - 14/01/2010 05:52:06 PM 753 Views
Yeah, SH is a wildcard BlackAdder - 15/01/2010 02:20:52 AM 921 Views
Re: Why couldn't have Elza got them? amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:12:07 PM 822 Views
It was brought up a while back in one of the earlier discussion threads BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 06:47:33 AM 958 Views
The whole forum is full of spoilers *NM* darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 07:11:38 AM 571 Views
Be more careful. Spoilers are freely allowed now. *NM* Kronin al'Sulc - 13/01/2010 04:05:27 PM 563 Views
He didn't mean it as a tGS spoiler BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 04:09:17 PM 850 Views
Exactly. I have this thing with theories ... amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:16:02 PM 877 Views
then how do you read the forums at all? darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:20:54 PM 859 Views
With caution. amirebram - 14/01/2010 07:41:39 PM 923 Views
I'm kind of the opposite I guess darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:50:36 PM 905 Views
My gut feeling tells that Sorilea isn't a DF Etzel - 13/01/2010 11:24:33 AM 1074 Views
My gut agrees with your gut. *NM* Shishka - 13/01/2010 01:31:08 PM 476 Views
Great guts think alike! *NM* Etzel - 13/01/2010 03:06:29 PM 449 Views
And fool guts, seldom differ! *NM* Insomdeon - 13/01/2010 05:10:41 PM 498 Views
My gut would have gotten me killed in WOT amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:18:15 PM 851 Views
Haha I love how the DFs are coming from all over the place! *NM* RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:57:19 PM 537 Views
Me neither Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:30:27 PM 776 Views
I don't think so Sidious - 13/01/2010 06:02:40 PM 919 Views
perhaps, but Semirhage is also in disgrace darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 06:53:04 PM 874 Views
Actually it was very much like a DF amirebram - 13/01/2010 10:21:46 PM 1032 Views
I don't buy it Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:29:05 PM 790 Views
the thread started by pointing out Verin implies Sorilea may not be on the same side... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:26:51 PM 896 Views
Moiraine said as much to Egwene long before that Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:07:20 AM 909 Views
we'll just have to RAFO darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:13:17 PM 790 Views
Actually, it's not about who stole it. It's about how Elza knew where it was AND amirebram - 15/01/2010 05:53:08 PM 899 Views
Not quite, IMO BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:53:46 PM 892 Views
and Verin told us that you could betray the FS if you could justify it darius_sedai - 13/01/2010 11:55:32 PM 958 Views
Exactly BlackAdder - 13/01/2010 11:58:46 PM 874 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? Gerbeaud - 13/01/2010 09:05:19 PM 752 Views
Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:24:00 AM 929 Views
Sorilea never saw the wards unraveled. And I'm pretty sure they were inverted. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 12:44:58 AM 798 Views
inverted yes, but she was standing right there when Cadsuane unwove them darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 12:47:26 AM 798 Views
As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:27:04 AM 883 Views
Re: As Sorilea closed the door behind the three of them, Cadsuane disarmed the box's traps. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:43:16 AM 846 Views
Did you see what you wrote? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 03:12:58 PM 883 Views
The point was that Sorilea knew two key pieces of information from that moment darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 03:38:27 PM 792 Views
She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 05:10:58 PM 838 Views
Re: She knew only one, and that was known to Bair too... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:29:39 PM 855 Views
How do you know Caddy embraced the source only then? fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 07:35:00 PM 742 Views
so you contend that she was walking around holding the Source the whole time? darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:52:10 PM 971 Views
Very possible. *NM* fionwe1987 - 14/01/2010 09:14:21 PM 367 Views
Bair is at least as strong a suspect darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:17:27 PM 846 Views
I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:34:21 PM 706 Views
That's a bit of a leap. darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:55:36 PM 582 Views
Re: I don't think Brandon's statement support your theory ajah - 17/01/2010 10:03:13 AM 1103 Views
Re: Elza already had the DB when she freed Semirhage from captivity Gerbeaud - 14/01/2010 02:42:47 AM 876 Views
I think Bsand or RJ stated that Shaidar Haran could not do that himself, which is why he needed Elza darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:47:04 AM 858 Views
I disagree that Verin would have tried to create suspicion or discord. Gher - 14/01/2010 03:16:32 AM 926 Views
Yet Verin herself tells us that she did things for the Shadow... darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:51:39 AM 819 Views
Sure Gher - 14/01/2010 05:18:56 PM 826 Views
certainly her intentions were to be one of the good guys darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 05:40:26 PM 748 Views
I agree. Gher - 14/01/2010 05:53:58 PM 741 Views
this scene does happen before she is "sure" of Cadsuane darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:07:19 PM 712 Views
Alright. Gher - 14/01/2010 06:17:18 PM 905 Views
This would be a great development. RugbyPlayingAshaman - 14/01/2010 04:55:29 PM 851 Views
that's exactly the type of foreshadowing I would expect kcf - 14/01/2010 06:48:25 PM 883 Views
IMO either she or Bair are a DF darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 06:58:57 PM 921 Views
this is pure RJ kcf - 14/01/2010 07:07:09 PM 1057 Views
True ... my personal fav is "if she's not BA she's the next thing to it" darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 09:01:05 PM 847 Views
Have we ever seen two different races of darkfriends working together? Sidious - 14/01/2010 08:46:48 PM 816 Views
yes - Suroth and Liandrin *NM* kcf - 14/01/2010 08:49:16 PM 617 Views
Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points darius_sedai - 14/01/2010 08:58:40 PM 1221 Views
Re: Milli/Shiane, Carridin, Falion and Old Cully were all in cahoots at various points Sidious - 15/01/2010 11:08:13 AM 8011 Views
and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? darius_sedai - 15/01/2010 04:14:42 PM 768 Views
Re: and then SH shows up out of the goodness of his own heart? Sidious - 16/01/2010 05:09:17 PM 838 Views
I think they were told via a DF in the group that she had been broken darius_sedai - 16/01/2010 06:11:01 PM 853 Views
Yes, Kadere and that Aiel chick. DREWRULESWOT! - 15/01/2010 12:15:42 AM 748 Views
Re: A clue that Sorilea is a Dark Friend? ajah - 17/01/2010 10:07:11 AM 859 Views
I wish it were so, but one of the FAQ's destroys this clue Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 03:01:47 PM 868 Views
there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:07:04 PM 910 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too Lord Haart - 17/01/2010 05:28:08 PM 854 Views
Re: there's been a lot of discussion about the BSand quote you are refering too darius_sedai - 17/01/2010 05:34:58 PM 810 Views
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