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Yes Sidious Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM

Actually, the person being Bound is not the one who channels the Spirit into the rod - another channeler does that. So, when I talked about (and rejected) the idea of Mesaana diverting the flow of Spirit, I meant the other channeler's flow of Spirit. The person being Bound doesn't channel during the process, as I understand it. She just holds the rod and speaks the words.


That's not always true, actually. Egwene wove spirit into the rod herself, as did Romanda, IIRC.

It is very possible that with 300 or so channelers to test, Egwene allowed them to channel spirit into the Rod themselves, rather than channeling for hours on end.

Personally, though, I'd prefer the idea of some kind of inverted glove that prevented Mesaana from touching the OR.


It must be a glove of some sort. I have a feeling it's going to be a complex thing, like a weave of Spirit on her brain that resists Compulsion.
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2677 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1318 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1226 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1110 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1098 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1207 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1090 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1143 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1030 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1048 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 878 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1050 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1093 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1059 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1071 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 859 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 847 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 421 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 867 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 755 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1023 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 866 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 427 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 899 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 884 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 983 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 907 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 933 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 756 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 914 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 451 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 962 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 917 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 915 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 814 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 435 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 839 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 393 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 413 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1053 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 954 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 647 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 437 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 419 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1045 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 827 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1073 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 996 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1052 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 724 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 809 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 878 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 853 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 908 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 937 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 399 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1013 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 999 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 827 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 852 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 754 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1041 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 846 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 362 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 920 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 719 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 862 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 882 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 956 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 829 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 366 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 902 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1233 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 809 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 410 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1176 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1014 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 788 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 894 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 884 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 402 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 775 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 894 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 966 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 757 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 919 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 789 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 736 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1096 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 767 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 901 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 838 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 841 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 454 Views
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