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The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai Send a noteboard - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM
... If I were an AoL AS, I would design the Binder to work as you suggested, not as Sidious suggested. Then it could be used on any channeler of any age.

Plus, I can't really think of any reason why RJ would have wanted it to work like Sidious suggested. All it does is limit who could be Bound with it, so it would eliminate old channelers, like the Kin, from being candidates. That's it, really.

But, it seems Egwene's idea now is for AS to continue to swear the 3 oaths when they are first raised, and then unswear the oaths when they are ready to retire, so that they can live out their allotted, unbound lifespans. That assumes, though, that when an AS unswears the oaths, her lifespan reverts back to what it would have been had she never sworn them in the first place.

But that's something else I've wondered about. One possibility I've considered is that, when oath-bound, a channeler ages at (say) 2X the rate she would if not oath-bound, and she can never reversed the effects of that aging.

For example:

Person X non oath-bound lifespan = 600 years.

Person X swears 3 oaths at age 30, when she becomes AS. During those first 30 years, she's aged 30 years out of the 600.

Person X remains oathbound for 200 years (to age 230), during which time she's aged 400 years (2X the normal rate).

Person X retires to the Kin and unswears the oaths. She now has (600-30)-400 = 170 years of life remaining, so she'll die at 400.

If that were the case, then the AS would be crazy to continue to use the oath rod. But, if the 2X aging that person X experienced while oathbound reverses affect (back to 1X) when she unswears, so that she can live out her remaining 370 years, then the AS could continue using the oath rod without undue affect on their lifespans. My guess is, that's how it actually works.


and they seemingly revert back to about they age they were when they would have looked had they never taken the Oaths. I find this a giant hint/clue that you are correct and the only reason we haven't seen it when others remove the Oaths is that it takes some time to kick in (circumvented by Siuan and Leane due to the brutality involved). I suspect the 3 AS Rand Stilled will likely be showing signs of being unbound should we ever see them again.

I also seems to be logical to me that the AoL developers probably would have wanted a system that didn't have a long term affect on someone who was only going to be bound for a 100 years or something ... kind of like a prison sentence. Perhaps a first offense for something minor was along the lines of "you shall be bound for 50 years against crime X" if that 50 years took 100 years off of the persons life it's a much more severe punishment.
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2677 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1318 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1226 Views
I like that idea ... - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1110 Views
A little archaic though - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1098 Views
Just because she's an academic ... - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1207 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1090 Views
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I agree ... - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1030 Views
I'm not sure - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1048 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 879 Views
Hmmm ... - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1050 Views
No she unswore them and retook them - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1094 Views
I'm not sure I follow - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1072 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 859 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 847 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 421 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 867 Views
yup - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 755 Views
I'm with you, though ... - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1023 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 867 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 427 Views
Sure it is - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 899 Views
Also ... - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 884 Views
I considered that ... - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 983 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 907 Views
Re: I'm not sure - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 933 Views
interesting - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 756 Views
Re: interesting - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 914 Views
see above *NM* - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 451 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 963 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 917 Views
Re: I'm not sure - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 916 Views
She's not immortal ... yet - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 814 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 435 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 840 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 393 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 413 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1054 Views
actually it's different - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 955 Views
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One point... - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1046 Views
Good point ... - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 828 Views
here's another quote that gives us - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1073 Views
FYI ... - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 997 Views
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Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 725 Views
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Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 878 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 854 Views
I highly doubt it ... - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 909 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 937 Views
I like this idea. *NM* - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 399 Views
I agree... - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1013 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1000 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 828 Views
Right, and also ... - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 852 Views
IMHO... - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1041 Views
Another interesting possibility - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 846 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 362 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 920 Views
Oh, I agree ... - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 719 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 862 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 882 Views
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she could just be posing as a non-channeler. - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 829 Views
To speak no word that is not true - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 903 Views
Could there be a true word, though? - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1233 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1176 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 895 Views
Yes - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 884 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 402 Views
Indeed - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 775 Views
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In the AoL... - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 966 Views
Re: In the AoL... - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 757 Views
I was thinking this too - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 920 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 789 Views
The "and" means nothing... - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 737 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1096 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 767 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 901 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 838 Views
It can't be that easy ... - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 841 Views

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