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I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka Send a noteboard - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM
I cannot help but think that that would be a dangerous path to go down, as a True word would have to involve some sort of essentialist thought (wouldn't it?), and would probably leave the poor person unable to say anything but names.


We came to the conclusion that a very pedantic and philosophical White might find it impossible to say anything, given the wording of that Oath.
Rise and fall, turn the Wheel,
'cause all life is
is really just a circle.

-BHT&tM
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Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Shishka - 18/01/2010 04:50:29 PM 2710 Views
I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Sidious - 18/01/2010 05:12:12 PM 1349 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye HyogaRott - 18/01/2010 05:43:26 PM 1259 Views
I like that idea ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:07:09 PM 1141 Views
A little archaic though Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:58:04 PM 1130 Views
Just because she's an academic ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:27:50 PM 1238 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Shishka - 18/01/2010 05:58:44 PM 1131 Views
I don't think Messana would have fallen over dead Ryan - 18/01/2010 06:06:35 PM 1176 Views
I agree ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:15:25 PM 1066 Views
I'm not sure Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:54:51 PM 1079 Views
It didn't when Romanda retook her Oaths in TGS darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:13:20 PM 905 Views
Hmmm ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:24:51 PM 1081 Views
No she unswore them and retook them darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:33:30 PM 1125 Views
Yeah, I realized that after I posted, so I editted my post (again) ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:36:39 PM 1090 Views
I'm not sure I follow darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:41:19 PM 1104 Views
The point I was trying to make was ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:05:16 PM 902 Views
Now I get it ... seems needlessly complex for the Oath Rod though darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:21:35 PM 894 Views
Yes, this is what I was thinking *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:29:20 PM 437 Views
What you suggested is pretty much what I've always thought ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:39:30 PM 905 Views
yup darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:02:04 PM 783 Views
I'm with you, though ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 09:27:59 PM 1063 Views
The closest evidence we have is a Stilled/Burned out woman darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:49:41 PM 913 Views
But if being unbound reverts you to your normal lifespan, then being bound isn't really a punishment *NM* PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 09:52:29 PM 439 Views
Sure it is darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:02:09 PM 932 Views
Also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:13:38 PM 910 Views
I considered that ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:11:32 PM 1009 Views
I doubt we'll ever really know darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 10:26:43 PM 938 Views
Re: I'm not sure Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:22:34 PM 984 Views
interesting darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:46:12 PM 800 Views
Re: interesting Shishka - 18/01/2010 08:18:11 PM 944 Views
see above *NM* darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:23:28 PM 467 Views
I think it more like aging them faster... PhoenixReborn - 18/01/2010 08:24:56 PM 997 Views
and given how things in the AoL works this seems far more likely darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 08:32:52 PM 945 Views
Re: I'm not sure HyogaRott - 20/01/2010 12:59:27 PM 946 Views
She's not immortal ... yet darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:15:03 PM 842 Views
The Dark Ones Mark possibly could black the oath rod? *NM* Kieran - 20/01/2010 01:28:08 AM 451 Views
No, that can't be it, because when AS become Black Ajah ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:53:21 PM 866 Views
But Alviarin's mark is different. Perhaps the mark of a FS is too *NM* darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:21:16 PM 413 Views
Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:19:02 PM 427 Views
Re: Good point. I sort of misinterpreted what Kieran was suggesting. Kieran - 22/01/2010 01:52:51 AM 1079 Views
actually it's different darius_sedai - 22/01/2010 07:32:18 AM 981 Views
actually I think it's the same... Kieran - 23/01/2010 01:49:19 AM 679 Views
Nup. Unlike the FS, her mark will not allow her to order Darkspawn (plus more). *NM* Lord Haart - 23/01/2010 11:50:36 AM 454 Views
Which has nothing to do with my post regarding the Oath rod... *NM* Kieran - 24/01/2010 10:44:59 PM 437 Views
One point... fionwe1987 - 18/01/2010 06:12:26 PM 1074 Views
Good point ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:21:22 PM 859 Views
here's another quote that gives us darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 07:12:09 PM 1123 Views
FYI ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:50:22 PM 1024 Views
Re: FYI ... Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:56:02 PM 1085 Views
Therava channeled the flow, in that case ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 07:11:00 PM 757 Views
Yes Sidious - 18/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 843 Views
Re: I'm think Mesaana's hand is quicker than the eye Datakim - 18/01/2010 06:10:45 PM 912 Views
Re: Replacing it with a fake Logain - 18/01/2010 06:22:33 PM 884 Views
I highly doubt it ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 06:23:55 PM 937 Views
Why not ask somebody else to stand in for you? Artsapat - 19/01/2010 07:55:39 PM 971 Views
I like this idea. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:11:51 AM 415 Views
I agree... Etzel - 18/01/2010 06:55:33 PM 1052 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod randfandom - 18/01/2010 09:43:34 PM 1030 Views
I'm thinking the point of the thread is to discuss how to beat the Oath Rod, not Mesaana's disguise darius_sedai - 18/01/2010 09:59:18 PM 858 Views
Right, and also ... Shishka - 18/01/2010 10:17:11 PM 882 Views
Except that the best way to 'defeat' the Oath rod is - not to take the Oaths at all Lord Haart - 19/01/2010 03:18:43 AM 780 Views
IMHO... Great Lord of Chaos - 19/01/2010 03:41:10 AM 1078 Views
Another interesting possibility Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 05:08:42 PM 874 Views
I'd say it was highly unlikely that the Binder/Oath Rod works that way. *NM* Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:06:49 PM 376 Views
We've seen pretty weird stuff happens before Skeeve the Great - 19/01/2010 06:30:12 PM 962 Views
Oh, I agree ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 06:47:52 PM 750 Views
Re: Oh, I agree ... found a few tidbits ... EDIT darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 06:55:22 PM 892 Views
Heh, I had just dug up that quote myself, before I saw your edit ... Shishka - 19/01/2010 07:17:19 PM 912 Views
I agree, it seems as if Moghedien just effectively transmigrated Birgitte darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:00:45 PM 985 Views
she could just be posing as a non-channeler. badassashaman - 19/01/2010 05:52:01 PM 864 Views
If RJ/Brandon lied about that... then maybe Demandred is Taim after all. *NM* Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:20:42 AM 382 Views
To speak no word that is not true Tor - 19/01/2010 10:06:30 PM 931 Views
Could there be a true word, though? Camilla - 20/01/2010 03:47:46 PM 1268 Views
I had a similar discussion with someone else, long ago ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 04:05:03 PM 841 Views
Or would just be able to say "true, true. True true true, true true." etc. *NM* Lord Haart - 21/01/2010 06:17:20 PM 426 Views
In going through some old RJ quotes I found this gem... darius_sedai - 19/01/2010 10:22:03 PM 1205 Views
Nice find! Not sure if that is a "way to defeat the Oath Rod" exactly, but it's certainly feasible. Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 03:19:51 AM 1045 Views
Wow, that's great. I wonder what else can be created there, like sa'angeals, etc. BlackAdder - 20/01/2010 03:54:01 AM 823 Views
Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:42:55 PM 934 Views
Yes Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:03:53 PM 930 Views
Agreed - our guts are thinking alike again. *NM* Shishka - 20/01/2010 03:12:30 PM 420 Views
Indeed Etzel - 20/01/2010 03:28:12 PM 807 Views
Oh I agree! I just thought it was funny that RJ made such a quote darius_sedai - 20/01/2010 04:20:09 PM 933 Views
In the AoL... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 04:49:24 PM 997 Views
Re: In the AoL... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:17:55 PM 787 Views
I was thinking this too Sidious - 20/01/2010 07:18:19 PM 950 Views
Still seems like two oaths, to me, due to the "and" ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 07:27:03 PM 818 Views
The "and" means nothing... fionwe1987 - 20/01/2010 08:01:27 PM 769 Views
Re: Good find, I had forgotten about that quote ... Great Lord of Chaos - 21/01/2010 05:24:18 AM 1139 Views
I like it, mainly because it points to Mesaana being bested by Egwene in T'A'R RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/01/2010 04:26:34 PM 797 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Mikerad - 20/01/2010 04:11:37 AM 932 Views
Re: Mesaana and defeating the Oath Rod Lord Haart - 20/01/2010 07:28:39 AM 870 Views
It can't be that easy ... Shishka - 20/01/2010 02:51:47 PM 872 Views
maybe she warded herself before goin in or just set her frame of mind to beat it *NM* nigelgoboom - 21/01/2010 02:07:17 AM 468 Views
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