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A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text... vandevere Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM
One has to differentiate between the private person, and one who is called upon to rule. In Egwene's case, she has to be both a Private person, and a Public person. On top of that, she now has the responsibility of leading the now-reunited Aes Sedai.

In a time when rulers of any kind are rarely hampered by constitutional checks on their powers-Earth during Middle Ages and Renaissance period,and seemingly all of Rand's world-a ruler very often simply can't afford to be seen as a kindly person.

A ruler in that type of cultural mindset needs to be seen as both autocratic, and in touch with the people he/she rules. Two real world examples would be Henry VIII, and his daughter, Elizabeth I.

I don't imagine one could call either one of them very nice people. But they did superbly well by their nation. And this, in spite of having to face some very serious problems, some self-created, others not.

On to Egwene...

The Aes Sedai don't need a nice Amyrlin right now. They need a capable one who is, above all else, a realist.

They also need one who can bring all the various factions within the Tower to heel; so they're going to need a tough Amyrlin as well...

They're going to need an Amyrlin who can order the executions of DFs and BAs without batting an eyelash, or dithering.

And they're going to need an Amyrlin who can do all of that, while keeping up expected appearances to both the inside and outside world, while getting rid of factional hatreds.

No, I don't think Egwene's growing up to be a very nice woman at all. But, she can't afford to.

But, she's well on her way to becoming the White Tower's very own Elizabeth I...



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I was wrong about Egwene. - 06/02/2010 09:46:43 AM 1929 Views
BTW, I am the god of Irony. Bow to me. *NM* - 06/02/2010 09:47:20 AM 399 Views
I think that if there's a real message to take out of this - 06/02/2010 02:55:47 PM 792 Views
yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral - 06/02/2010 05:03:19 PM 699 Views
Re: yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral - 06/02/2010 06:08:40 PM 727 Views
In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 06/02/2010 11:28:37 PM 783 Views
Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 06/02/2010 11:47:04 PM 575 Views
Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 07/02/2010 02:43:13 AM 634 Views
Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 07/02/2010 11:13:39 PM 753 Views
I might agree with her on your projected Verin scenario - 06/02/2010 11:35:47 PM 885 Views
It really is her most defining quality - 06/02/2010 06:27:17 PM 596 Views
That was nothing. - 06/02/2010 08:48:39 PM 571 Views
The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time - 06/02/2010 11:34:45 PM 695 Views
Re: The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time - 06/02/2010 11:51:48 PM 594 Views
Hah! - 07/02/2010 02:22:30 PM 562 Views
There was a nice beginning - "Cannoli: I was wrong about Egwene"... - 06/02/2010 06:42:18 PM 631 Views
I think the title summarizes years of debate *NM* - 07/02/2010 09:26:35 AM 488 Views
A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text... - 07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM 766 Views
I like Egwene. - 08/02/2010 10:22:14 AM 603 Views
And the greater good always conveniently requires her being in charge or getting more power *NM* - 12/02/2010 12:19:05 AM 277 Views
Yes, just like for Rand. *NM* - 12/02/2010 12:24:57 AM 235 Views
And the rest of the Randland Justice League. *NM* - 12/02/2010 05:25:38 PM 242 Views
Re: Rand goes out of his way to discarge authority to others; Egwene, well hopefully in the future *NM* - 13/02/2010 04:20:31 AM 282 Views
Ummm... what? When? *NM* - 13/02/2010 04:53:50 AM 226 Views
Like his Stewards & supporting loyal rulers. *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:30:32 PM 273 Views
Darlin, Caroline, Elayne, Ituralde, Bashere, Logain, Rhuarc, etc. - 15/02/2010 05:57:05 PM 710 Views
Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? *NM* - 15/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 359 Views
Re: Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? - 16/02/2010 08:10:02 PM 613 Views
Agreed, that's what I've been saying. - 16/02/2010 08:23:14 PM 596 Views
Well, Egwene has lackeys too! - 15/02/2010 08:12:17 PM 508 Views
Re: Well, Egwene has lackeys too! - 15/02/2010 10:37:50 PM 496 Views
Yup, hopefully she'll be killed, then stilled. - 13/02/2010 11:03:51 PM 488 Views

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