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A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text... vandevere Send a noteboard - 07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM
One has to differentiate between the private person, and one who is called upon to rule. In Egwene's case, she has to be both a Private person, and a Public person. On top of that, she now has the responsibility of leading the now-reunited Aes Sedai.

In a time when rulers of any kind are rarely hampered by constitutional checks on their powers-Earth during Middle Ages and Renaissance period,and seemingly all of Rand's world-a ruler very often simply can't afford to be seen as a kindly person.

A ruler in that type of cultural mindset needs to be seen as both autocratic, and in touch with the people he/she rules. Two real world examples would be Henry VIII, and his daughter, Elizabeth I.

I don't imagine one could call either one of them very nice people. But they did superbly well by their nation. And this, in spite of having to face some very serious problems, some self-created, others not.

On to Egwene...

The Aes Sedai don't need a nice Amyrlin right now. They need a capable one who is, above all else, a realist.

They also need one who can bring all the various factions within the Tower to heel; so they're going to need a tough Amyrlin as well...

They're going to need an Amyrlin who can order the executions of DFs and BAs without batting an eyelash, or dithering.

And they're going to need an Amyrlin who can do all of that, while keeping up expected appearances to both the inside and outside world, while getting rid of factional hatreds.

No, I don't think Egwene's growing up to be a very nice woman at all. But, she can't afford to.

But, she's well on her way to becoming the White Tower's very own Elizabeth I...



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I was wrong about Egwene. - 06/02/2010 09:46:43 AM 2225 Views
BTW, I am the god of Irony. Bow to me. *NM* - 06/02/2010 09:47:20 AM 528 Views
I think that if there's a real message to take out of this - 06/02/2010 02:55:47 PM 1082 Views
yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral - 06/02/2010 05:03:19 PM 954 Views
Re: yes she's politically shrewd if completely amoral - 06/02/2010 06:08:40 PM 1035 Views
In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 06/02/2010 11:28:37 PM 1068 Views
Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 06/02/2010 11:47:04 PM 891 Views
Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 07/02/2010 02:43:13 AM 951 Views
Re: In her defense, she has no way of getting in contact with him - 07/02/2010 11:13:39 PM 1004 Views
I might agree with her on your projected Verin scenario - 06/02/2010 11:35:47 PM 1179 Views
It really is her most defining quality - 06/02/2010 06:27:17 PM 833 Views
That was nothing. - 06/02/2010 08:48:39 PM 838 Views
The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time - 06/02/2010 11:34:45 PM 996 Views
Re: The only mitigating factor was that she had already dumped Rand at that time - 06/02/2010 11:51:48 PM 863 Views
Hah! - 07/02/2010 02:22:30 PM 832 Views
There was a nice beginning - "Cannoli: I was wrong about Egwene"... - 06/02/2010 06:42:18 PM 896 Views
I think the title summarizes years of debate *NM* - 07/02/2010 09:26:35 AM 604 Views
A point to understand about Egwene as a ruler... (Incoming wall'o'text... - 07/02/2010 06:43:43 PM 1139 Views
I like Egwene. - 08/02/2010 10:22:14 AM 880 Views
And the greater good always conveniently requires her being in charge or getting more power *NM* - 12/02/2010 12:19:05 AM 394 Views
Yes, just like for Rand. *NM* - 12/02/2010 12:24:57 AM 354 Views
And the rest of the Randland Justice League. *NM* - 12/02/2010 05:25:38 PM 351 Views
Re: Rand goes out of his way to discarge authority to others; Egwene, well hopefully in the future *NM* - 13/02/2010 04:20:31 AM 399 Views
Ummm... what? When? *NM* - 13/02/2010 04:53:50 AM 349 Views
Like his Stewards & supporting loyal rulers. *NM* - 15/02/2010 02:30:32 PM 391 Views
Darlin, Caroline, Elayne, Ituralde, Bashere, Logain, Rhuarc, etc. - 15/02/2010 05:57:05 PM 994 Views
Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? *NM* - 15/02/2010 06:10:17 PM 458 Views
Re: Oh you mean all those guys he treats like his personal b*tches? - 16/02/2010 08:10:02 PM 869 Views
Agreed, that's what I've been saying. - 16/02/2010 08:23:14 PM 871 Views
Well, Egwene has lackeys too! - 15/02/2010 08:12:17 PM 757 Views
Re: Well, Egwene has lackeys too! - 15/02/2010 10:37:50 PM 747 Views
Yup, hopefully she'll be killed, then stilled. - 13/02/2010 11:03:51 PM 765 Views

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