Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
Lord Haart Send a noteboard - 08/02/2010 06:56:01 AM
Hey, I'm not saying that the Tower has been doing much good lately, just that it has the potential to do good by the end of the series, acting in harmony with the BT and providing a place for female channellers to share and build knowledge.
That's why I brought up the other organisations - with the exception of the Kin, none of the others have the same influence as the Tower. It's also important to note that while roughly 1/3 of the AS haven't taken a side in the rebellion, most of that 1/3 is independent, not sworn to Rand, and just about all of them want to see the Tower whole again (which is only natural - the organisation gives them more power). The Kin, while indeed useful (no debate that their help was needed), are not able to take the place of the WT (lack of leadership, as you said).
The White Tower provides structure and law to female channellers, and ensures they are afforded respect. The division destroyed that (at least in part), but if we want to see a happy 4th Age after TG, then I think we'll see the Tower reunified. Rand certainly won't play the benevolent dictator role forever; I think that Randland history spoke for the ability of the Tower to generally maintain peace (Gray and Blue ajah's especially). The Red will be reshaped and will begin working with Men, not against them (we've seen this start to happen already).
Of course, it's your right as a reader to say that you don't particularly care as to how this resolution comes about (and I'd agree that it's been drawn-out at some points), but ultimately I think there does need to be resolution. Yes, it could happen off-screen, but so could many of the events in WoT. Gawyn's story, Elayne's story, anything with the Children of the Light, the Shaido could have been destroyed in Cairhien rather than scattered by Sammael (saving Perrin, and the reader, heaps of time). You could even argue that the only PoVs we really need is Rand and those directly around him.
That's why I brought up the other organisations - with the exception of the Kin, none of the others have the same influence as the Tower. It's also important to note that while roughly 1/3 of the AS haven't taken a side in the rebellion, most of that 1/3 is independent, not sworn to Rand, and just about all of them want to see the Tower whole again (which is only natural - the organisation gives them more power). The Kin, while indeed useful (no debate that their help was needed), are not able to take the place of the WT (lack of leadership, as you said).
The White Tower provides structure and law to female channellers, and ensures they are afforded respect. The division destroyed that (at least in part), but if we want to see a happy 4th Age after TG, then I think we'll see the Tower reunified. Rand certainly won't play the benevolent dictator role forever; I think that Randland history spoke for the ability of the Tower to generally maintain peace (Gray and Blue ajah's especially). The Red will be reshaped and will begin working with Men, not against them (we've seen this start to happen already).
Of course, it's your right as a reader to say that you don't particularly care as to how this resolution comes about (and I'd agree that it's been drawn-out at some points), but ultimately I think there does need to be resolution. Yes, it could happen off-screen, but so could many of the events in WoT. Gawyn's story, Elayne's story, anything with the Children of the Light, the Shaido could have been destroyed in Cairhien rather than scattered by Sammael (saving Perrin, and the reader, heaps of time). You could even argue that the only PoVs we really need is Rand and those directly around him.
So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
- 07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM
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The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER
- 07/02/2010 06:46:51 AM
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Re: The Tower will likely have some sort of "badass army" moment at the end... or, they'd BETTER
- 08/02/2010 05:43:52 PM
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I think the breaking of the tower was....
- 07/02/2010 07:55:48 AM
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Yes, but that isn't the point.
- 08/02/2010 04:14:32 AM
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Re: Yes, but that isn't the point.
- 08/02/2010 04:40:52 AM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
- 08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
- 08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
- 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
- 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
- 10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM
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YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal?
- 10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM
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Re: the wise ones.
- 13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
- 07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM
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Re: The point was that Rand needed the division.
- 07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM
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small disagreement
- 07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM
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Re: small disagreement
- 08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM
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Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices
- 15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
- 08/02/2010 04:34:52 AM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
- 08/02/2010 06:56:01 AM
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Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien
- 11/02/2010 11:53:41 PM
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Re: Such a resolution could have been a minor plot point like settling Tear or Cairhien
- 13/02/2010 10:45:06 AM
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Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle?
- 07/02/2010 10:42:27 PM
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These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
- 08/02/2010 04:50:11 AM
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Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
- 08/02/2010 05:47:36 AM
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Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that.
- 13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM
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For that matter, what is the point of Andor?
- 08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM
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Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor?
- 08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM
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But Tar Valon is critical too.
- 08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM
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Really?
- 10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM
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So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
- 10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM
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Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
- 12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM
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Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower.
- 15/02/2010 02:23:57 PM
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To pad the last few books in order to make Egwene the Amyrlin.
- 17/02/2010 05:25:22 PM
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