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Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. orius Send a noteboard - 13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM
I misunderstood your original post. I agree so far the White Tower has been mostly useless. A White Tower that had not isolated itself from the real world, a White Tower that had not blinded itself with arrogance, or a White Tower that was willing not to be the center of attention would have been a help to Rand.


Maybe that was the point, or at least part of it. The WT is supposed to be a significant authority in the Westlands, but it's fallen a long way from the height of it power prior to the Trolloc Wars. Maybe it's part of one of the overall themes in WoT that humanity in this age is weakening and dwindling, not just nations have been failing since the time of Artur Hawkwing, but we see it in the WT too. The number of sisters has fallen, their ability to wield the OP has lessened, this whole theme is mentioned in the main series a few times, and even more strongly in NS.

It's probably also supposed to be a result of Rand breaking the world. Look how many nations have been ripped apart by civil wars and internal discord simply because Rand is. The same thing happened to the Tower itself, especially when there are several influential Ajahs with sharply opposing world views and simmering animosities that have been brewing for many years.

And don't forget the role of the FS and BA. We know Alviarin (and probably the other leaders of the BA) was under direct orders from the Forsaken to break the WT. It's obviously no coincidence that she helped Elaida instigate the whole mess, and I'd imagine important BA sisters in the Blue like Sheriam and Moira didn't just flee to Salidar in a snit over Elaida, but may very well have been following orders from Alviarin or even Mesaana. A reunited WT is a blow against one of the DO's schemes to sow chaos.
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So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? - 07/02/2010 04:41:58 AM 1925 Views
I think the breaking of the tower was.... - 07/02/2010 07:55:48 AM 841 Views
Nice idea, that does seem to make sense in hindsight. - 07/02/2010 06:18:35 PM 635 Views
Yes, but that isn't the point. - 08/02/2010 04:14:32 AM 727 Views
Re: Yes, but that isn't the point. - 08/02/2010 04:40:52 AM 707 Views
YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? - 08/02/2010 04:55:46 AM 630 Views
Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? - 08/02/2010 02:43:48 PM 733 Views
Re: YES!! The SPLIT is important. So why is ENDING the split such a necessary goal? - 10/02/2010 09:49:59 PM 700 Views
Re: the wise ones. - 13/02/2010 10:21:55 AM 544 Views
They're not the biggest clan... - 13/02/2010 02:20:38 PM 669 Views
Thank you - 15/02/2010 01:24:05 PM 743 Views
No problem. *NM* - 15/02/2010 09:05:11 PM 262 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? - 07/02/2010 06:14:31 PM 754 Views
Re: The point was that Rand needed the division. - 07/02/2010 08:34:10 PM 690 Views
small disagreement - 07/02/2010 08:42:07 PM 632 Views
Re: small disagreement - 08/02/2010 04:37:03 AM 563 Views
Egwene and Siuan have noted that there are plenty of the new Novices - 15/02/2010 04:22:35 PM 651 Views
Re: So what was the point of the White Tower struggle? - 07/02/2010 10:42:27 PM 599 Views
These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. - 08/02/2010 04:50:11 AM 778 Views
Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. - 08/02/2010 05:47:36 AM 721 Views
Re: These are reasons why the SPLIT is necessary. I was not questioning that. - 13/02/2010 09:33:04 AM 527 Views
For that matter, what is the point of Andor? - 08/02/2010 06:08:32 AM 689 Views
Re: For that matter, what is the point of Andor? - 08/02/2010 03:38:54 PM 641 Views
Especially true if - 08/02/2010 07:16:04 PM 599 Views
But Tar Valon is critical too. - 08/02/2010 07:41:43 PM 652 Views
Really? - 10/02/2010 05:30:02 AM 567 Views
Three women in a boat... - 10/02/2010 09:12:41 PM 609 Views
Nothing is ever given as a location for that boat that I recall. - 11/02/2010 11:54:39 PM 558 Views
So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. - 10/02/2010 10:13:56 PM 694 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. - 12/02/2010 12:43:19 AM 731 Views
In this, I agree with Fionwe. - 13/02/2010 10:31:07 AM 577 Views
Re: So what? This is more or less true, but it has zero relevance to the issue of the Tower. - 15/02/2010 02:23:57 PM 729 Views
Some good points, but I still disagree. - 15/02/2010 06:30:50 PM 621 Views
- 15/02/2010 10:08:48 PM 692 Views
my thoughts - 09/02/2010 12:58:30 PM 798 Views
Belief and order give strength. - 10/02/2010 11:20:01 PM 629 Views
To pad the last few books in order to make Egwene the Amyrlin. - 17/02/2010 05:25:22 PM 596 Views
I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". - 17/02/2010 06:07:25 PM 562 Views
Re: I can't say I agree with the use of the term "padding". - 22/02/2010 11:05:44 PM 620 Views
To unite the Tower under competent leadership, of course. - 23/02/2010 04:55:02 AM 1071 Views
Does a main plotline HAVE to help defeat the DO? - 26/02/2010 04:11:30 PM 743 Views

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