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Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
My roommate is an ecology major, and studying "how organisms affect and are affected by other members, living and non-living alike, of local and global systems" seems to be exactly what he does. In fact, he just defined it to me now as "the study of interactions of organisms with one another and with their environment." Which is pretty much what Larry said, except Larry, to quote my roommate, "went one step further and defined 'environment.'"

So... I'm pretty sure what Larry said is a very correct and modern definition of the word "ecology."


Now talk to an english major and get the definition for conotative and denotative meaning.

Words and pharses have multiple meaning in english depending on context. How many different meanings can you communicate with the word "no"?

Archaic, as in not what the word conveys in common speech, in a given context. If I say "I am going to the theater." You will most likely think of movies, but what if I mean a play. If I say "I am going outside and burn a faggot", you will probably call the police to stop a murder, but what if I mean a cigarette, or perhaps to start a campfire. English is a tricky beast.

Make sense now?

The scientific and common definition/concept of a word offen are at odds. It is all about the context.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1966 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1083 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1270 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1200 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1243 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1087 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1199 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1253 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1057 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1091 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 963 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 933 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 917 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1059 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 446 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 991 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 970 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1012 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 959 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 990 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 913 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1020 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 949 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1027 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1079 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 952 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 944 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 838 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 993 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1072 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 965 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 967 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1445 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 472 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1144 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1099 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1165 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1348 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1111 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1293 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1180 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 987 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1548 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1347 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1302 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1228 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 988 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 417 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 421 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1210 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 937 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 888 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 882 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 983 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 888 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 809 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 930 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 815 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1047 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1008 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 983 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 891 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1237 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 880 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 838 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1115 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 851 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 928 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 884 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1229 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1035 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1079 Views
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