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I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry Send a noteboard - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM
But to me when I read the book back in the 80s and when I reread it a years are so ago the overriding theme of the book was how ineffective power can be and how powerful religion can be as well as the danger of trying to control and use religion. The book was as much about the Middle East and British Empire as it was about anything else. Saying that the desert was a main character because it influenced the actions and lives of the characters is similar to saying that hard vacuum is a character in a space novel because it has such a strong impact on the story.

I know there has a been push to define the book as a book about ecology but from my point of view that appears to be an attempt to hijack the book.


However, it is not a stretch at all to say that the original book examines ecological relationships and how they affect social/political/religious practices. It is something Herbert himself mentioned in that 1969 interview that was posted elsewhere in this thread. In addition, check out the dedication in the book.
Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie

Je suis méchant.
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1263 Views
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1114 Views
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Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1143 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1010 Views
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