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I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman Send a noteboard - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM
I hope that you got to "God Emperor of Dune" - that whole book was about humanity re-finding it's purpose. In many ways, the whole problem with human civilization during "Dune" and "Dune Messiah" was that it was clumped in a narrow amount of space, too afraid to venture out and expand throughout the universe.

Darwi Odrade is my favorite character because she realized this and is a more reliable narrator for the reader to realize what the Kwisatz Haderach was supposed to do and what the God Emperor was trying to accomplish. By the time you get to her as a character, the universe that humanity inhabited was a very different place where one person, civilization or fatal mistake couldn't annihilate the species.
"Those who think they have no time for bodily exercise will sooner or later have to find time for illness."
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 1956 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1073 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1264 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1189 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1235 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1078 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1190 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1243 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1050 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1080 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 951 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 923 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 906 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1048 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 444 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 980 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 960 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1000 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 947 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 978 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 898 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1000 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 935 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1010 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1070 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 939 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 935 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 830 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 981 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1060 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 954 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 955 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1432 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 469 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1134 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1089 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1154 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1341 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1100 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1283 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1171 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 977 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1538 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1339 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1293 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1219 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 977 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 412 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 418 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1199 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 926 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 876 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 871 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 968 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 878 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 797 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 919 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 805 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1034 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 998 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 972 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 880 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1222 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 871 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 829 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1103 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 838 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 912 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 872 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1215 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1023 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1064 Views
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