Herbert saw Dune Messiah as a kind of coda to the first book. He had been convinced that Dune was a more powerful book if it stopped when Paul became Emperor, without his downfall.
Dune and Dune Messiah had originally been envisioned as a single book. The Anti-Hero of Paul Atreides was not at all desirable by the publishers, which along with the length of the text was why it was split up.
Yeah, I know.
In the French edition of Dune Messiah (that unlike the original American edition is merged with Dune - with no alteration to the text of any kind, though), the foreword explains that Dune Messiah is a kind of coda to Dune that originally was to be the third part of the novel, but that Frank's publishers didn't want him to include, and in the end he became convinced it was for the best. IIRC, in America DM was first published (or the first part of it only, I don't remember) not as a novel but in a SF magazine.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within)
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- 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
- 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM
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Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
- 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
- 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM
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Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
- 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
- 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM
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Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
- 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM
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That was most of my issue.
- 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
- 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM
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Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM
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A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
- 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM
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- 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM
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- 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM
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Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
- 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM
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- 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM
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Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
- 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM
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Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
- 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM
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Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
- 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
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Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
- 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM
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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
- 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book
- 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM
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Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
- 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM
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I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune
- 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM
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There are several points to the book/series
- 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM
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Everyone get something different from a book
- 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM
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I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series
- 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM
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I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts
- 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM
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Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps
- 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM
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Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom 
- 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
- 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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- 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
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- 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM*
- 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM
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Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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I didn't see that in Alia
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There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers)
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OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first
- 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM
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One of my favorite series!
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I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
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Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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