Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
HyogaRott Send a noteboard - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM
Once you narrrow the focus to "Human Ecology" and use it as an umbrella for the political/religious/moral themes of the book then it does come down to a disagreement over semantics. I would still disagree with using it as a stated tehme because it reaches for too much and obscures what I consider teh "real themes" of the novel unless the express purpose is to tie all the human elements into a nice package, while seeriously delving into all of its sub-units; more of the heading to a review/critique than a point of the review itself. Though where the Eart Day comment fits into it I still don't understand.
The statement may have been made, but it is not accurate. Christianity and Islam spun off of Judidism and that evolved from, or replaced (documentation gets REAL sketchy as to which), a polytheistic religion. The desert/stepes obsercation breaks down becasue all 3 are from the same religious tree. Perhaps that is why there has been such hostility for the last 3,000 years between them; but that is an entirely different conversation that belongs nowhere near this site.
I seem to recall an observation in one of the first three books (one that I've seen echoed in several other places) that it is no surprise that the three dominant monotheistic religions on this planet today developed in steppe or desert-like environments.
The statement may have been made, but it is not accurate. Christianity and Islam spun off of Judidism and that evolved from, or replaced (documentation gets REAL sketchy as to which), a polytheistic religion. The desert/stepes obsercation breaks down becasue all 3 are from the same religious tree. Perhaps that is why there has been such hostility for the last 3,000 years between them; but that is an entirely different conversation that belongs nowhere near this site.
Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within)
- 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM
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Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
- 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
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Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
- 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM
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Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
- 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM
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I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
- 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM
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Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
- 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM
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Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
- 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM
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Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
- 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM
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That was most of my issue.
- 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM
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Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
- 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM
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Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM*
- 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM
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A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
- 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM
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- 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM
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Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
- 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM
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Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
- 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM
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- 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM
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Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
- 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM
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Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
- 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM
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Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
- 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
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Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
- 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM
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Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
- 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
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People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book
- 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM
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Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
- 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM
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I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune
- 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM
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There are several points to the book/series
- 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM
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Everyone get something different from a book
- 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM
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I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series
- 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM
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I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts
- 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM
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Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps
- 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM
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Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
- 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM
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I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
- 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
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Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom
- 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
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- 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
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I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM*
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Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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I didn't see that in Alia
- 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM
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There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers)
- 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM
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OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first
- 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM
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One of my favorite series!
- 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM
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I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
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Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
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Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
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