wonder if Heretics of Dune was indeed conceived as the opener of a trilogy, as it had the feel of setting up situations and the chief participants more than it did as something that could be read semi-independently of the other novels.
It was the opener to a trilogy from the get go.  
I know, I was just wondering if it would have been a single remaining book or two. Of course, I stated that before I finished Chapterhouse last night.
The "original" Dune was a duology, before it was decided to make Dune Messiah a book in itself and not last part of Dune.
Herbert much later decided to return to the Dune world with God-Emperor, which was a stand-alone in his mind (it became a bridge book onkly after the fact).
And before it became the linchpin of the series, as I'm starting to view it.
He decided later to tell the story of the result to Leto's plans, and that he did conceive of as a trilogy from the start, with the two first volumes published and the third one (which remains open ended in the Dune style, but less so than previous ones) outlined.
I hope that outline will be published one day, maybe within 10 years, when it'll be the centennial of Frank Herbert's birth?
If you don't have the patience to suffer through the awfully written two-volumes Dune 7 by KJA-BH to dig up in the dross the concepts and ideas Herbert intended to explore through the ending (they are quite apparent still, especially after having read the other books so recently, though they aren't developped with anything near the intelligence of Frank), just ask and I'll tell you about what I remember.   You read so fast that I almost recommend you pick the books, though. I found the ideas interesting enough, even if as novels this is real garbage.
Well, having read 3 of the prequel novels by them while metaphorically pinching my nose, I have no desire to torture myself any further. Frank Herbert wasn't an elegant writer and sometimes a few of his ideas and takes on human life irritate, but he at his worst was worlds better than what I endured in reading two of the House novels and the first Jihad book.

I just don't see where there's enough foreshadowing in the six original books for there to be two thinking machines being a main threat. Marty and Daniel seemed to be something else. The bit about Duncan Idaho's "ultimate" role, however, I thought was foreshadowed in Chapterhouse and I would have loved to have seen what Frank Herbert would have done with it.
Whatever you do, don't read the prequels, and definitely don't read them first.  KJA-BH liberally stole from the outline of Dune 7 to "set things up", and setting things up in their mind was spoiling everything by extending every good idea into elaborate and boring storylines set thousands of years before., as they believed Frank's outline for Dune 7 was "too complex" and required much backstory (which was plainly wrong: Frank would have managed to include everyhting and make everything clear within a 300 or 400 pages book, but he just didn't spoon feed his readers as if they were dumb the way KJA does) What they achieved is that every idea in Dune 7 feels quite stale and predictable once you get there (and I don't mean it spoil the plot, I mean the way they bring them up through the prequels in a very b;ah and pedestrian way sort of ruin the ideas themselves...)
That is true, Frank Herbert certainly didn't think his readers were "dumb" and had to have everything explained to them. His approach made me slow down a bit, since there was much to consider before I could weigh in on some of his idea presentations, but when I read the prequels, they felt like a bad Babelfish translation more than anything coherent and interesting in their own right.
		Illusions fall like the husk of a fruit, one after another, and the fruit is experience. - Narrator, Sylvie
Je suis méchant. 
	
	
	
	
	
	
Je suis méchant.
 
	
			Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within)
	    
	         - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM
	        2016 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
			Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
	    
	         - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM
	        1122 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM
	        1311 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM
	        1246 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM
	        1289 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there.
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM
	        1120 Views
	        
	    
	
	    
			I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
	    
	         - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM
	        1241 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological"
	    
	         - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM
	        1297 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
	    
	         - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM
	        1097 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white?
	    
	         - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM
	        1152 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			That was most of my issue.
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM
	        1020 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
	    
			Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM
	        1102 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM*
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM
	        468 Views
	        
	    
	
		
	    
			A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM
	        1029 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM
	        1011 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM
	        953 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM
	        1074 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects
	    
	         - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM
	        986 Views
	        
	    
	
	    
			Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme
	    
	         - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM
	        1076 Views
	        
	    
	
	    
			Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
	    
	         - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM
	        1122 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic.
	    
	         - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM
	        990 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM
	        878 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all.
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM
	        1134 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
	    
			People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book
	    
	         - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM
	        1505 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM*
	    
	         - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM
	        495 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune
	    
	         - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM
	        1179 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
	    
			There are several points to the book/series
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM
	        1216 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Everyone get something different from a book
	    
	         - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM
	        1397 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series
	    
	         - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM
	        1148 Views
	        
	    
	
	    
			I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM
	        1327 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps
	    
	         - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM
	        1216 Views
	        
	    
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: Frank Herbert, Dune
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM
	        1605 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom  - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
	        1406 Views
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
	        1406 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	     - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
	        1406 Views
	    
	         - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM
	        1406 Views
	        
	
		
	    
			Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom  - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM
	        1347 Views
	    
	         - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM
	        1347 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	     - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM
	        1347 Views
	    
	         - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM
	        1347 Views
	        
	
		
	    
			Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom  - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM
	        1265 Views
	    
	         - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM
	        1265 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	     - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM
	        1265 Views
	    
	         - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM
	        1265 Views
	        
	
		
	    
			Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom  - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
	        1029 Views
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
	        1029 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	     - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
	        1029 Views
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM
	        1029 Views
	        
	
		
	    
			I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM*
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM
	        440 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
	    
			Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
	    
	         - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM
	        1287 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM
	        983 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			I didn't see that in Alia
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM
	        931 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers)
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM
	        928 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM
	        1044 Views
	        
	    
	
	    
			One of my favorite series!
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM
	        935 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
			I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
	    
	         - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM
	        863 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it
	    
	         - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM
	        969 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
	    
			Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
	    
	         - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM
	        907 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
		
	    
	
	    
			Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read)
	    
	         - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM
	        983 Views
	        
	
		
		
	
	    		
			I read the wiki synopses of those two books
		
	         - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM
	        923 Views
	        
	
		
	    
	
	    
	
	    
 
  
  
  
  
  
 