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Re: That was most of my issue. Chas Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM
Larry didn't call it an environmental novel (ie save the planet type thing)- he called it an ecological novel. Therein lies the confusion.


And by the definition he later gave for ecological, his point makes no sense. Every story no matter how good or bad has an ecology.

If what he meant was that Herbert was the first to create a Sci-Fi novel that could carry the same sort of distinction that is made between Fantasy and High Fantasy, he would have been better served to cut and paste from Wikipedia.


But it doesn't necessarily play an active role. It does in Dune.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2020 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1124 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1318 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1249 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1292 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1124 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1242 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1300 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1100 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1156 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1023 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 981 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 960 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1106 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 470 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1033 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1015 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1069 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1011 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1026 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 956 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1078 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 990 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1079 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1123 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 994 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 989 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 882 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1041 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1137 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1008 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1006 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1508 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 496 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1182 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1138 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1220 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1400 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1151 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1329 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1218 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1029 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1610 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1410 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1349 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1268 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1032 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 442 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 447 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1290 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 987 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 934 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 932 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1046 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 939 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 866 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 972 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 887 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1084 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1067 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1040 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 934 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1298 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 931 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 879 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1173 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 911 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 987 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 926 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1285 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1095 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1134 Views
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