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Re: That was most of my issue. Chas Send a noteboard - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM
Larry didn't call it an environmental novel (ie save the planet type thing)- he called it an ecological novel. Therein lies the confusion.


And by the definition he later gave for ecological, his point makes no sense. Every story no matter how good or bad has an ecology.

If what he meant was that Herbert was the first to create a Sci-Fi novel that could carry the same sort of distinction that is made between Fantasy and High Fantasy, he would have been better served to cut and paste from Wikipedia.


But it doesn't necessarily play an active role. It does in Dune.
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Frank Herbert, Dune Chronicles (series reviews within) Larry - 16/04/2010 04:11:40 AM 2099 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 16/04/2010 06:09:49 PM 1191 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune Larry - 17/04/2010 12:08:06 AM 1404 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 02:33:38 PM 1315 Views
Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. lord-of-shadow - 17/04/2010 06:54:14 PM 1365 Views
Re: Not all themes are intended by the author. That doesn't mean they aren't there. HyogaRott - 17/04/2010 10:44:18 PM 1220 Views
I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" Larry - 18/04/2010 12:13:14 AM 1315 Views
Re: I was using a fairly precise term when I said "ecological" HyogaRott - 18/04/2010 03:34:33 AM 1369 Views
Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? Chas - 18/04/2010 05:18:07 AM 1176 Views
Re: Please read linked interview...as I call bullshit. Also, why are your walls white? HyogaRott - 19/04/2010 06:15:26 PM 1233 Views
That was most of my issue. Chas - 21/04/2010 12:12:56 AM 1096 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:33:14 PM 1043 Views
Re: That was most of my issue. Chas - 29/04/2010 11:38:26 PM 1030 Views
Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:09:42 PM 1184 Views
Thank you for saying concisely the point I have been trying to make. *NM* HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:34:12 PM 500 Views
A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present Larry - 21/04/2010 11:21:38 PM 1127 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present DomA - 22/04/2010 04:58:01 AM 1084 Views
Good points Larry - 22/04/2010 09:19:45 PM 1145 Views
Re: Good points DomA - 22/04/2010 10:55:21 PM 1078 Views
when you call it human ecology I come much closer to agreeing random thoughts - 22/04/2010 02:16:58 PM 1095 Views
Re: A theme is merely a dominant strain in a story; there can be more than one theme present HyogaRott - 22/04/2010 04:08:28 PM 1019 Views
Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects Larry - 22/04/2010 09:28:05 PM 1147 Views
Re: Texts have different interpretations and Readers emphasize different aspects HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:22:22 PM 1064 Views
Re: Just because something plays a dominate role doesn't make it a theme Chas - 29/04/2010 11:36:45 PM 1166 Views
Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. Ghavrel - 19/04/2010 07:52:27 PM 1194 Views
Re: Not really sure how Larry's definition is archaic. HyogaRott - 20/04/2010 07:04:40 PM 1071 Views
You're not using "archaic" correctly Larry - 20/04/2010 10:07:31 PM 1055 Views
Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. Ghavrel - 21/04/2010 01:46:50 AM 964 Views
doesn't that regulate the point down to interesting trivia? random thoughts - 21/04/2010 02:36:38 PM 1107 Views
Re: Your patronizing manner aside, that's not "archaic" at all. HyogaRott - 21/04/2010 06:23:24 PM 1209 Views
Funny the things people focus on Larry - 21/04/2010 11:24:59 PM 1077 Views
Re: Funny the things people focus on HyogaRott - 23/04/2010 05:28:54 PM 1073 Views
People who see this as an ecological book are missing the point of the book random thoughts - 16/04/2010 06:28:40 PM 1580 Views
Books can have more than one theme. Great books almost always do. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/04/2010 07:15:11 PM 526 Views
I agree with that I just never really the ecological theme to Dune random thoughts - 16/04/2010 10:12:26 PM 1269 Views
Ecology goes more than one way Larry - 17/04/2010 12:12:45 AM 1197 Views
There are several points to the book/series Larry - 17/04/2010 12:11:38 AM 1295 Views
Everyone get something different from a book random thoughts - 19/04/2010 07:01:51 PM 1469 Views
I believe those themes become more pronounced later in the series Larry - 20/04/2010 10:09:36 PM 1222 Views
I remember having hated every single character of this book. Some random thoughts Lordling - 17/04/2010 05:08:25 PM 1393 Views
Well, I enjoyed more of the characters this time around, if that helps Larry - 18/04/2010 12:14:43 AM 1278 Views
I hope you got to Darwi Odrade RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:44:27 PM 1101 Views
Re: Frank Herbert, Dune DomA - 17/04/2010 08:05:16 PM 1675 Views
I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Larry - 17/04/2010 10:22:27 PM 1482 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 18/04/2010 04:38:10 AM 1480 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom Macharius - 19/04/2010 04:04:43 AM 1345 Views
Re: I guess we'll have a few disagreements here, Dom DomA - 22/04/2010 04:31:26 AM 1099 Views
I thought all of Dune had begun as a serial in a SF magazine. *NM* Macharius - 22/04/2010 01:58:22 PM 479 Views
And Dune Messiah as well was serialized at first, in Galaxy *NM* Larry - 22/04/2010 09:31:54 PM 480 Views
Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 19/04/2010 08:42:18 AM 1563 Views
Re: Dune Messiah (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:33:46 PM 1099 Views
I didn't see that in Alia Larry - 21/04/2010 11:27:22 PM 1020 Views
There were a few scenes displaying Alia's abilities/mindset. (spoilers) RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 03:54:32 PM 1010 Views
OK, that makes a bit more sense, as I wasn't for sure what you were arguing at first Larry - 22/04/2010 09:14:46 PM 1126 Views
One of my favorite series! RugbyPlayingAshaman - 21/04/2010 03:30:57 PM 1007 Views
I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it Larry - 21/04/2010 11:29:50 PM 932 Views
Re: I didn't "miss it" as much as I chose to deemphasize it RugbyPlayingAshaman - 22/04/2010 04:02:26 PM 1040 Views
His style doesn't appeal to me as much, unfortunately Larry - 22/04/2010 09:17:21 PM 967 Views
You might want to track down his short stories one day... DomA - 23/04/2010 02:06:09 PM 1153 Views
Children of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 22/04/2010 06:47:04 AM 1144 Views
See...I think I made a mistake in my reading of Dune Brian - 22/04/2010 07:26:28 AM 1115 Views
Depends Larry - 22/04/2010 08:01:39 AM 1012 Views
Re: Depends Brian - 22/04/2010 11:12:15 PM 1393 Views
read something else random thoughts - 23/04/2010 07:49:34 PM 999 Views
LA Times article on Dune (4/18/2010) Larry - 23/04/2010 10:59:00 AM 951 Views
God Emperor of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 25/04/2010 02:03:37 AM 1308 Views
Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 28/04/2010 06:02:54 AM 986 Views
Re: Heretics of Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 29/04/2010 03:26:28 PM 1078 Views
I read the wiki synopses of those two books Larry - 29/04/2010 09:44:07 PM 1008 Views
Re: I read the wiki synopses of those two books DomA - 10/05/2010 04:10:49 AM 1368 Views
Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) Larry - 30/04/2010 02:31:10 PM 1175 Views
Re: Chapterhouse: Dune (2001 initial read; 2010 re-read) DomA - 10/05/2010 01:24:33 AM 1221 Views
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