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Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM
I'm beginning with some negatives I've noticed in the books (don't ask me why. I think its a great book, which is probably why these stand out so...)

First off... Why didn't Dumbledore react when Hagrid told him Sirius lent him his bike? Why not try to stop him when Hagrid said he was going to return the bike now?

From book 3, it is clear Dumbledore "knew" Sirius was the Secret Keeper from the beginning. His lack of suspicion in the first chapter is a little baffling.

But more irritating is that the Potters felt they needed an outsider as a Secret Keeper. Why choose between Lupin, Wormtail and Sirius at all? We have seen Mr. Weasley and Bill act as Secret Keepers for their own homes. One would think James or especially Lily (who was great at Charms, apparently) would have taken up the job. That would have been so much safer. The existence of this hole has always bothered me.

The Dumbledore-McGonagall relationship: This is less a critique of this book and more one of the series. Early on, McGonagall is shown to be at least as close a confidante of Dumbledore as Snape, maybe closer. She trsuts (and is in turn trusted by) Dumbledore, but she isn't shown to be incapable of questioning him or disagreeing with him. Yet, when his end was near, and he knew Harry would have to go through crazy adventures and Hogwarts would be compromised, he was content to let her carry on teaching?
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Harry Potter Re-read: The Philosopher's Stone - Final section underway! (& next book plans) Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:27:51 AM 3634 Views
Chapters 1-3: Introducing Harry Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:28:49 AM 1880 Views
Characterisation *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:02 AM 1080 Views
My thoughts, such as they are. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:09:55 PM 1961 Views
Agree. She gave us enough to make it interesting. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 06:45:46 PM 1900 Views
Re: My thoughts, such as they are. *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:43:49 PM 1906 Views
You hit the nail on the head. Seriana Sedai - 13/07/2010 12:20:19 AM 1836 Views
Re: You hit the nail on the head. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:51:45 AM 1751 Views
Writing style *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:18 AM 1059 Views
A couple of points. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 04:10:20 PM 1753 Views
It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:18:14 PM 1950 Views
True. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:36:49 PM 1881 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Tor - 12/07/2010 09:31:11 PM 2122 Views
Re: It is very clear it is a children's book at this time Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:51:23 PM 1681 Views
Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:03:26 AM 1931 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:54:40 AM 1881 Views
Re: Vernon's slow descent into madness is great. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 01:14:01 PM 1941 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 01:15:23 PM 1706 Views
Early themes *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:37 AM 1148 Views
Strong vs weak *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:23:45 PM 1710 Views
Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:43:27 PM 1762 Views
Re: Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:56 PM 1710 Views
Chapters 4-10: Making Friends at Hogwarts *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:29:58 AM 1007 Views
Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. *NM* Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:29:38 AM 1043 Views
I'd forgotten how annoying Hermione was Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:48:13 PM 1795 Views
Me too. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:30:13 PM 1732 Views
Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 04:58:04 PM 1774 Views
Re: Yep. I like seeing her transformation in this story though. Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:13:13 PM 1788 Views
Yes and, I think, this may be another candidate for early themes (from above) StormCrow - 14/07/2010 07:43:14 PM 1902 Views
Re: Impressions: thoughts about the school, the teachers, the enemies and the friends. aria - 14/07/2010 04:22:54 PM 1925 Views
Agree. I loved the instant tension between Harry and Malfoy and with Harry and Snape too. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:03:20 PM 2055 Views
Some thoughts before I run off to the library again Camilla - 14/07/2010 06:11:45 PM 1969 Views
Good points aria - 14/07/2010 08:45:56 PM 1873 Views
It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:08:38 PM 2075 Views
Re: It's interesting to look at the beginning of the story from Draco's point of view. Camilla - 26/07/2010 03:18:02 PM 1675 Views
What about the magic? Rebekah - 14/07/2010 08:58:51 AM 1781 Views
The magic wasnt really developed at this point Dark Knight - 14/07/2010 02:13:41 PM 1719 Views
Re: The magic wasnt really developed at this point Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:53:08 PM 1963 Views
There was one powerful protection Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 01:29:49 AM 1894 Views
I agree aria - 15/07/2010 04:51:05 AM 1874 Views
Re: I agree Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 05:44:41 AM 1737 Views
Re: There was one powerful protection Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:12:40 AM 2024 Views
I think nossy - 14/07/2010 04:34:30 PM 1711 Views
Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:11:40 PM 2003 Views
Re: Diagon Alley - Olivander's Foreshadowing aria - 14/07/2010 08:51:06 PM 1716 Views
Agreed. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 08:57:55 PM 1750 Views
I really need a remembrall. Camilla - 14/07/2010 08:57:10 PM 1904 Views
I felt bad for Neville. StormCrow - 14/07/2010 09:03:49 PM 1864 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:05:40 PM 1738 Views
But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! nossy - 15/07/2010 02:51:47 AM 2017 Views
I know, right! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:41:01 AM 1707 Views
Exactly. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:22:18 PM 1634 Views
Re: But it doesn't tell you what you've forgotten! Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:15:55 AM 1757 Views
Ah, see nossy - 15/07/2010 03:23:49 PM 1685 Views
Chapters 11-17: Harry the Hero *NM* Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:30:29 AM 1023 Views
What'd you think of the ending? *NM* Rebekah - 15/07/2010 05:21:38 PM 982 Views
Loved it. StormCrow - 15/07/2010 05:56:06 PM 1776 Views
Two separate things: nossy - 15/07/2010 07:14:08 PM 1769 Views
I hear you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:22:05 PM 1790 Views
Re: Two separate things: Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:48:21 PM 1770 Views
I can clarify some stuff for you Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:14:07 PM 1862 Views
One of the most sublime, wonderful moments of any book Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 08:18:29 PM 1617 Views
Yes! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 10:39:11 PM 1794 Views
Lovely Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:11 PM 1870 Views
Haha Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:16:16 PM 1928 Views
Re: Haha Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:24:06 PM 1830 Views
But I thought all girls were made of sugar and spice and everything nice? Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:26:53 PM 1709 Views
Oh, we are. Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:35:17 PM 1610 Views
Ah like vodka vs. wine coolers? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:48:26 PM 971 Views
Gin Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:49:33 PM 1735 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 15/07/2010 10:49:33 PM 1622 Views
So was I Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:54:24 PM 1667 Views
Honestly, dumbledore is a bit of an ass... jh - 15/07/2010 10:48:32 PM 1628 Views
Heresy! Camilla - 15/07/2010 10:55:28 PM 1656 Views
The decades of manipulation of a child doesn't bother you, but the House Cup does? *NM* Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 11:37:54 PM 954 Views
Not really. I am looking at it from a school perspective. jh - 16/07/2010 12:54:46 PM 1564 Views
As I indicated below, I had some issues. Nate - 16/07/2010 03:05:05 AM 1939 Views
Re: As I indicated below, I had some issues. Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:14:56 AM 1801 Views
In fairness, it's Hogwarts itself that is all but impregnable. Legolas - 26/07/2010 03:55:02 PM 1752 Views
A funny thing I noticed Camilla - 15/07/2010 09:00:42 PM 1846 Views
nossy - 15/07/2010 09:18:08 PM 1703 Views
Overall thoughts for the book Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:31:37 AM 1787 Views
Foreshadowing and setting up the future Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:32:10 AM 1712 Views
Harry's anger management issues? StormCrow - 12/07/2010 07:14:58 PM 1780 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:40:40 PM 1811 Views
Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:14:20 PM 1867 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:55:32 PM 1790 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:02:59 PM 1727 Views
Re: Nah, not deliberate. Camilla - 13/07/2010 03:04:42 PM 1841 Views
I noticed a lot of this. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:22:54 PM 1895 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:25 PM 1825 Views
Re: I noticed a lot of this. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:45:32 PM 1808 Views
~smug~ Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:09:15 PM 1795 Views
Indeed. Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:10:41 PM 2030 Views
This response implies the experience of being both?? StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:23:29 PM 1767 Views
On Ginny: Kronin al'Sulc - 12/07/2010 10:36:47 PM 1904 Views
This was my interpretation too and why I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 02:53:08 PM 917 Views
I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:45:28 AM 2029 Views
Re: I've noticed a lot of the same things, probably because I've reread this book so many times... Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:58:10 AM 1785 Views
So much (chapters 1-3) *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:35:57 PM 2017 Views
Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:38:05 PM 1852 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:39:08 PM 1872 Views
Re: Hm. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:39:53 PM 1677 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:44:16 PM 1580 Views
Re: Hm. Cockatiel of Doom - 13/07/2010 04:41:12 AM 1686 Views
Re: Hm. Camilla - 13/07/2010 08:55:09 AM 1700 Views
I missed the school roof thing this time around too! Good catch there. *NM* StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:22:21 PM 992 Views
The thing that tipped me off Camilla - 12/07/2010 09:53:01 PM 1777 Views
Imagine how easy his test would have been if he remembered he'd done it as a child! *NM* StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:20:27 PM 973 Views
You have to wonder why Hagrid and Dumbledore didn't suspect the truth about Sirius. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:04:05 PM 1718 Views
I re-read a couple weeks ago, and I was highly amused by all the little things she worked in nossy - 14/07/2010 04:09:19 AM 1841 Views
Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 09:18:35 PM 1966 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 10:30:23 PM 1813 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Camilla - 14/07/2010 10:55:01 PM 1748 Views
Re: Some stuff (chapters 4-11) Deadsy - 14/07/2010 11:05:59 PM 1767 Views
I can answer your consistency question! Cockatiel of Doom - 15/07/2010 02:35:42 AM 1910 Views
You are a clever cookie. Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:14:25 AM 1763 Views
Yes nossy - 15/07/2010 03:30:36 PM 1609 Views
Ooh, yes. Cockatiel of Doom - 16/07/2010 12:19:13 AM 1602 Views
More stuff (chapters 12-17) Camilla - 15/07/2010 08:55:34 PM 1653 Views
Re: More stuff (chapters 12-17) Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 09:19:13 PM 1733 Views
Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Cockatiel of Doom - 17/07/2010 04:23:15 PM 1864 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 Camilla - 17/07/2010 04:28:04 PM 1763 Views
Re: Tiny tiny inconsistency (?) in Ch. 12 aria - 17/07/2010 07:12:39 PM 2020 Views
I like it. Thank you. Cockatiel of Doom - 20/07/2010 12:53:37 AM 1935 Views
What made this book (and the rest of the series) such a success? Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:00 AM 1860 Views
I have no idea *spoilers* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:47:58 PM 1933 Views
I agree... StormCrow - 12/07/2010 09:19:59 PM 1953 Views
I think it was mostly because it was a simple narrative with an identifiable protagnonist. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:59:06 PM 1859 Views
It has tons of things in it that every kid dreams of doing Deadsy - 14/07/2010 01:56:05 PM 1881 Views
Kid? Camilla - 14/07/2010 02:01:30 PM 1880 Views
so do I. I was just trying to act mature *NM* Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:08:01 PM 1173 Views
Not even just the super stuff Deadsy mentions. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:38:46 PM 2002 Views
It's a simple, well-done little book. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:46:48 PM 1865 Views
you don't read instructions, do you? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:49:24 PM 1918 Views
Heh. Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:50:23 PM 1852 Views
Re: Heh. Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:51:40 PM 1859 Views
Awwww! Rebekah - 12/07/2010 07:52:19 PM 1803 Views
Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:52 PM 1871 Views
Wha? Nate - 12/07/2010 07:50:44 PM 1910 Views
Re: Wha? Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:52:21 PM 1885 Views
Pff. Nate - 12/07/2010 07:54:54 PM 1883 Views
*NM* Camilla - 12/07/2010 07:56:03 PM 1174 Views
When did you pick up this book? Dark Knight - 12/07/2010 11:30:46 PM 1813 Views
I was 10. Darth_Katie - 13/07/2010 04:13:44 AM 1956 Views
Ah book orders...man you just brought back nostalgic memories. I miss being a kid Dark Knight - 13/07/2010 04:42:12 AM 1997 Views
I was 16. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 08:24:02 AM 1880 Views
1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 1866 Views
What do you mean by adult version? aria - 13/07/2010 02:15:40 PM 2005 Views
Re: What do you mean by adult version? Camilla - 13/07/2010 02:17:40 PM 1859 Views
They started publishing copies with 'adult' covers so people wouldn't be caught out reading Chas - 13/07/2010 11:53:46 PM 1919 Views
Just before the first movie came out aria - 13/07/2010 02:17:42 PM 2028 Views
When Prisoner of Azkaban was a hardback. Elaine - 13/07/2010 02:23:57 PM 1876 Views
Got a boxed set for Christmas when Order of the Phoenix came out in hardback. StormCrow - 13/07/2010 03:06:42 PM 1929 Views
Just after Goblet of Fire was published. Chas - 13/07/2010 11:50:38 PM 1956 Views
Just before Goblet of Fire came out. nossy - 14/07/2010 04:04:21 AM 1912 Views
The first five were out, waited for HBP. Seriana Sedai - 14/07/2010 06:20:39 AM 2019 Views
You're making me want to talk about toadface Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:06:25 PM 1910 Views
Sorry! Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:36:11 AM 1963 Views
Very early. Beginning of 1999, so it had just come out in the States. *NM* Ghavrel - 14/07/2010 08:54:06 AM 1178 Views
I held out quite awhile because I don't like "fads" Deadsy - 14/07/2010 02:04:37 PM 1846 Views
Lol! aria - 14/07/2010 08:54:47 PM 1955 Views
I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 06:39:16 AM 1944 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Deadsy - 15/07/2010 10:01:04 AM 2113 Views
Re: I did the same thing. Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:44:28 PM 2015 Views
I would have, if I had known there was hype. I know I would have. nossy - 15/07/2010 03:28:50 PM 2016 Views
Seriana Sedai - 15/07/2010 05:47:01 PM 2020 Views
I think I was first! Monkey - 23/07/2010 07:05:08 PM 1957 Views
Aged 13 or 14 - a while before the first movie (which was Christmas 2001). *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:13:55 PM 1170 Views
Jesus Christ. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:04:46 PM 2102 Views
^That was me. *NM* Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:55:49 PM 1149 Views
I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1137 Views
Aw. I was just feeling flattered as I didn't think Tor had read that many of my posts. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:15:52 AM 1166 Views
Besides, you've met me, you should know how old I am. *NM* Legolas - 27/07/2010 12:16:23 AM 1200 Views
I am very bad at guessing age when I meet people in person Camilla - 27/07/2010 09:05:35 AM 2508 Views
Suggestions for the Re-read Rebekah - 12/07/2010 08:33:25 AM 1908 Views
I like it so far Camilla - 13/07/2010 10:16:49 AM 1889 Views
I can try that for the next book. Rebekah - 13/07/2010 11:21:01 PM 1889 Views
This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1838 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1169 Views
Can we get chapter discussions everyday? *NM* Dark Knight - 15/07/2010 06:40:30 PM 1116 Views
Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2237 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 1884 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1832 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1064 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 1897 Views
Peter + Sirius = family. I don't know how to explain it more simply. *NM* Ghavrel - 18/07/2010 08:58:20 AM 1183 Views
Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 2010 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2241 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 1938 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1808 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2126 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 1938 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1826 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1841 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2135 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1839 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 1914 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1776 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1842 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 1885 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1775 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 2077 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 1878 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 2075 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 1888 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 1879 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 2000 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 1887 Views
My two cents Seriana Sedai - 19/07/2010 06:11:30 AM 1948 Views
It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... DomA - 14/09/2010 12:11:20 AM 2345 Views
Re: It was just the sort of things these two daredevils would do... Camilla - 14/09/2010 09:20:46 AM 1769 Views
You have to wonder if that's actually true. Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:23:31 PM 1844 Views
Re: You have to wonder if that's actually true. Tor - 26/07/2010 05:06:43 PM 2083 Views
I don't know that I'd call it "see through Pettigrew"... Legolas - 26/07/2010 06:22:19 PM 1854 Views
^That was me, too. Oh, dear. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:56:43 PM 2067 Views
Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house aria - 18/07/2010 07:14:21 PM 1825 Views
Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2284 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 1877 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1803 Views
Camilla - 26/07/2010 10:07:36 PM 1687 Views
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