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Re: Two separate things: Camilla Send a noteboard - 15/07/2010 08:48:21 PM
I love reading as the kids fight through all the challenges. I like that they thought they needed to do it and did it,

BUT

If they hadn't nosed around and been down there, it is very unlikely Quirrell would have been able to get the stone anyway. That has always bothered me (though yes, I can admit to the fact that they discovered a Big Baddie, and that's good for everyone). Also, what was their plan for not dying? Taking on a super-villain and not knowing Harry was protected by his mother... I dunno. I always feel like I shouldn't pick it apart, but I am bothered.:P


Yes, I have always had a problem with that particular bit as well. Do we ever get a satisfactory explanation for it? I have a nagging feeling Dumbledore mentions it at some point, but that may be wishful thinking.

Edit: I suppose it might be because Dumbledore knows Harry will have to kill Voldemort some day (which probably means nobody else can kill Harry? I was never clear on that point), and the only way he can arrive at that point sooner or later is to take risks and learn by doing from an early age. And if he were to happen to kill Voldemort as 11, then that would be done with at least?
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1999 Camilla - 13/07/2010 09:03:03 AM 2000 Views
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I was going to ask if it was. *NM* Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:04:59 PM 1211 Views
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This is my first official time participating and its been fun so far! StormCrow - 14/07/2010 05:16:48 PM 1977 Views
Unfortunately, no. (Silly me, pretending someone's still going to read all my posts... ) *NM* Legolas - 26/07/2010 04:20:35 PM 1234 Views
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Inconsistencies Re: the Potter's death... fionwe1987 - 15/07/2010 05:16:45 AM 2384 Views
Because they were tricked? They considered Peter and Sirius to be brothers. Ghavrel - 15/07/2010 07:05:27 AM 2018 Views
That's nonsense.. fionwe1987 - 16/07/2010 01:08:40 AM 1965 Views
Take it up with Rowling, since you don't believe me. *NM* Ghavrel - 16/07/2010 08:19:58 AM 1125 Views
What's there to believe? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:03:13 AM 2042 Views
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Re: That's nonsense.. eucatastrophe - 16/07/2010 09:37:59 AM 2157 Views
Also Camilla - 16/07/2010 11:17:51 AM 2386 Views
You are correct! There is no inconsistency eucatastrophe - 17/07/2010 04:17:35 AM 2096 Views
Huh? fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:57:58 AM 1937 Views
But Camilla explained it! eucatastrophe - 18/07/2010 09:27:55 AM 2270 Views
Correction Camilla - 18/07/2010 10:58:59 AM 2073 Views
I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 05:42:18 PM 1956 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 05:51:36 PM 1984 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 06:17:04 PM 2270 Views
Re: I'm fairly certain you guys have that totally wrong... Camilla - 18/07/2010 06:28:27 PM 1982 Views
That bothers me too. aria - 18/07/2010 07:17:14 PM 2055 Views
Re: That bothers me too. Camilla - 18/07/2010 07:20:44 PM 1924 Views
Yet... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:47:56 PM 1999 Views
Re: Yet... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:02:31 PM 2013 Views
To quote Dumbledore... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 05:57:23 AM 1911 Views
Again... fionwe1987 - 18/07/2010 07:35:10 PM 2223 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 18/07/2010 08:00:55 PM 2018 Views
Re: Again... fionwe1987 - 19/07/2010 06:33:13 AM 2211 Views
Re: Again... Camilla - 20/07/2010 04:45:16 PM 2033 Views
Yet another load of bosh. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 01:00:14 AM 2017 Views
Then let's leave it. Camilla - 21/07/2010 06:48:45 AM 2143 Views
Re: Then let's leave it. fionwe1987 - 21/07/2010 04:19:35 PM 2018 Views
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Re: Since Lily and James were unable to leave the house Tor - 26/07/2010 05:07:48 PM 2434 Views
^ And this, too, was me. Camilla - 26/07/2010 09:58:07 PM 2024 Views
Re: ^ And this, too, was me. Rebekah - 26/07/2010 10:05:41 PM 1925 Views
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