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Re: Judging by his father's profession, yes. Camilla Send a noteboard - 28/07/2010 07:34:41 PM
His dad's a milkman, and we don't hear anything about his mother to know what she does or even if she's alive.

But he doesn't get the particular speech patterns. And, at the risk of offending certain participants in this discussion, he's always seemed more American than anything else to me. ;)

I'd say that Seamus Finegan is as well, but that's just based upon my dislike of football. :P

Don't you mean Dean Thomas, then? There is plenty of variation in the social background of Rowling's characters, but that makes it all the stranger perhaps that only a few characters get the speech patterns to go along with it.

And Dark Knight's point was indeed also part of what I meant - that the wizarding world as depicted in the books is largely middle class. They have to have a constant inflow of Muggles, some of those working class, but it seems to me like Hogwarts graduates such as Dean and Colin, like Snape in his time, would still mostly end up being middle class themselves in the wizarding world even if they're from working class backgrounds in the Muggle world.


It could be because there is less need for labour in the wizarding world. Transfiguration &c means that you can get pretty much whatever without manual labour. That would make it gravitate more towards middle and upper...
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban - 28/07/2010 12:00:14 PM 3489 Views
Chapters 1-3. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:01:10 PM 1188 Views
Characters. - 28/07/2010 12:03:36 PM 2031 Views
Aunt Marge - 28/07/2010 01:13:34 PM 1917 Views
She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 01:40:37 PM 2251 Views
Re: She's an interesting combination of tropes, one might say... - 28/07/2010 02:15:24 PM 2102 Views
Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:01:46 PM 2047 Views
Re: Stan Shunpike. - 28/07/2010 02:19:41 PM 2001 Views
True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:46:38 PM 1958 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 28/07/2010 02:50:20 PM 1873 Views
If I'm not mistaken - 30/07/2010 04:36:18 PM 1942 Views
Re: True, I forgot Mundungus. And, arguably, Snape. - 07/08/2010 02:53:43 PM 2307 Views
It's not entirely clear, true. - 08/08/2010 02:44:50 PM 2072 Views
Incorrect - 28/07/2010 04:17:09 PM 1979 Views
Re: Incorrect - 28/07/2010 06:11:12 PM 2120 Views
Re: Incorrect - 28/07/2010 06:35:31 PM 2081 Views
Colin Creevey is working class. - 28/07/2010 06:32:45 PM 1969 Views
Correct me if I'm wrong - 28/07/2010 06:38:20 PM 2011 Views
Ah, that's a good point. - 28/07/2010 06:43:00 PM 1911 Views
True - 28/07/2010 06:50:30 PM 2009 Views
Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 06:53:02 PM 2010 Views
Re: Judging by his father's profession, yes. - 28/07/2010 07:34:41 PM 1852 Views
Right. - 29/07/2010 02:28:34 PM 1983 Views
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Themes, if we can discern any already this early in the book. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:04:47 PM 1126 Views
Guilt v. innocence? Flight? - 28/07/2010 01:16:25 PM 1918 Views
And the beginning of "appearances can be deceiving". - 02/08/2010 11:48:36 PM 1953 Views
First impressions on the news of Sirius Black's escape. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:05:26 PM 1121 Views
Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 01:21:32 PM 2045 Views
Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 01:44:50 PM 2123 Views
Re: Aaaah, Sirius. - 28/07/2010 02:22:17 PM 1870 Views
I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:00:08 PM 1875 Views
Re: I was talking about that, yes, among other things. - 28/07/2010 07:03:11 PM 2125 Views
Thats easy really - 28/07/2010 02:05:26 PM 1963 Views
Writing style. - 28/07/2010 12:07:24 PM 2057 Views
It is a better book. - 28/07/2010 02:00:54 PM 1939 Views
Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:09:33 PM 2159 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:23:03 PM 2092 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:34:37 PM 1884 Views
Re: Its much more mature writing style I think - 28/07/2010 02:36:38 PM 1839 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:53:30 PM 1861 Views
Re: It is a better book. - 03/08/2010 05:59:22 PM 1873 Views
Foreshadowings, details that turn out to be important, etc. *NM* - 28/07/2010 12:08:07 PM 1057 Views
That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 28/07/2010 02:08:21 PM 1878 Views
Dont foget the most important foreshadowing! - 28/07/2010 02:15:35 PM 1869 Views
not yet. - 28/07/2010 02:23:28 PM 1822 Views
What am I doing today? I need some more sleep! - 28/07/2010 02:36:54 PM 1860 Views
Re: That is very well done in this book, I thought. - 03/08/2010 05:54:06 PM 1916 Views
Chapters 4-6. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:11:45 PM 1044 Views
Characters. - 29/07/2010 10:23:28 AM 1877 Views
LupinLupinLupinLupinLupinLupin! - 29/07/2010 11:48:55 AM 1985 Views
Hmmm I'm wondering...is Lupin one of your fav characters? *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:36:20 PM 993 Views
Could be, could be. - 29/07/2010 02:37:41 PM 1930 Views
Well it was subtle so I don't think many people will catch it *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:41:38 PM 1034 Views
Subtlety is what I do *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:43:00 PM 1019 Views
He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:00:26 PM 2028 Views
Re: He is so lovely. - 03/08/2010 06:10:34 PM 1900 Views
Is it premature to argue Harry's starting to get alienated from Ron and Hermione here? - 30/07/2010 01:48:06 PM 1863 Views
I don't think it's too early. - 30/07/2010 06:26:15 PM 1803 Views
I don't think it's too early to argue that. - 03/08/2010 06:02:17 PM 2024 Views
Themes. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:24:31 AM 939 Views
Death and fear of death - 29/07/2010 11:51:25 AM 1851 Views
Writing style. - 29/07/2010 10:26:07 AM 1918 Views
"Plotting" might be a more interesting discussion point - 29/07/2010 11:57:20 AM 2024 Views
I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:25:08 PM 1786 Views
Re: I was amazed at all the tiny details - 29/07/2010 03:27:04 PM 1891 Views
Introduction of the Dementors. *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:26:59 AM 1026 Views
They are Rowling's most terrifying creation - 29/07/2010 12:00:34 PM 1860 Views
Without his knowledge or consent of course *NM* - 29/07/2010 02:31:47 PM 968 Views
Yes - 29/07/2010 02:34:01 PM 1991 Views
I thinking something thats a little off topic - 29/07/2010 02:40:36 PM 1799 Views
Re: I thinking something thats a little off topic - 29/07/2010 02:42:09 PM 1820 Views
Ooo I didn't think of that! I like you. We can be friends - 29/07/2010 02:47:31 PM 1829 Views
Mission accomplished. - 29/07/2010 02:48:35 PM 1897 Views
Yippee! - 29/07/2010 02:52:16 PM 1810 Views
And among her most original, I'd say. - 30/07/2010 01:53:25 PM 1851 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:51:05 PM 1810 Views
Re: "He's at Hogwarts." - 04/08/2010 11:52:55 PM 1953 Views
I don't know the answer, but a good place to look would be... (book 4 spoilers) - 05/08/2010 12:33:20 AM 1835 Views
Indeed, but.... ~spoileriffic for Book 4~ - 05/08/2010 02:19:22 PM 1816 Views
Good point. - 05/08/2010 11:06:10 PM 1869 Views
Chapters 7-9. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:11:59 PM 1159 Views
Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:07:20 PM 1789 Views
Re: Characters. - 30/07/2010 02:50:07 PM 1700 Views
Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:10:07 PM 1789 Views
Re: Lupin vs. Snape - 30/07/2010 06:12:06 PM 1908 Views
Yeah, he knew because of Sirius' little slip. - 30/07/2010 06:27:36 PM 1813 Views
I doubt Sirius had to actually say that it was Lupin though. - 31/07/2010 04:33:38 AM 1871 Views
Indeed - 02/08/2010 10:26:31 AM 1918 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:08:03 PM 909 Views
She is getting good at misdirection - 30/07/2010 02:50:40 PM 1803 Views
Other things you want to comment on. *NM* - 30/07/2010 02:13:36 PM 1027 Views
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Good spell and great scene with the Bogart. - 30/07/2010 06:19:16 PM 1842 Views
Agree, especially about Neville - 31/07/2010 06:21:25 AM 1928 Views
Agreed. *NM* - 31/07/2010 09:56:53 AM 1025 Views
Yes, excellent scene. - 09/08/2010 08:06:05 PM 1836 Views
Chapters 10-12. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:18 PM 935 Views
Characters. - 02/08/2010 12:50:36 PM 1968 Views
Re: Characters. - 02/08/2010 01:36:53 PM 1801 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:50:56 PM 879 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 02/08/2010 01:36:49 PM 2025 Views
I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:50:03 PM 1693 Views
I think it's just an unfortunate way of expressing herself. - 02/08/2010 02:53:26 PM 1799 Views
Re: I caught that too. - 02/08/2010 02:53:48 PM 1827 Views
I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:17:32 PM 1998 Views
Re: I suspect.... - 03/08/2010 03:22:39 PM 1818 Views
I agree - 03/08/2010 05:25:10 PM 1832 Views
Re: I agree - 03/08/2010 05:26:15 PM 1901 Views
Mmmkay. - 04/08/2010 02:39:14 PM 1872 Views
Trelawny's Predictions - 02/08/2010 02:56:53 PM 1819 Views
Re: Trelawny's Predictions - 02/08/2010 02:59:05 PM 1816 Views
Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... *NM* - 02/08/2010 12:52:30 PM 1011 Views
Re: Other things - the Marauder's Map, background story on Sirius and the Potters,... - 02/08/2010 01:36:56 PM 1817 Views
What if - 02/08/2010 11:50:28 PM 1676 Views
Re: What if - 02/08/2010 11:57:26 PM 1790 Views
Chapters 13-15. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:12:57 PM 1009 Views
Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:25:47 PM 1820 Views
Re: Characters. - 03/08/2010 05:29:32 PM 1926 Views
Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:21:17 PM 1827 Views
Re: Characters. - 08/08/2010 02:23:35 PM 2017 Views
OK. I don't like how one-sided the Slytherins are. - 08/08/2010 02:30:22 PM 1912 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:37:18 PM 1854 Views
Re: Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:45:30 PM 1819 Views
Re: Agreed. - 08/08/2010 02:49:59 PM 1804 Views
Agreed. - 08/08/2010 03:03:19 PM 1909 Views
Re: 200 people - 09/08/2010 12:09:53 AM 1811 Views
Well. - 09/08/2010 08:21:24 AM 1924 Views
True - 09/08/2010 02:02:52 PM 1944 Views
we were discussing her numbers in the other thread - 12/08/2010 12:49:29 AM 2114 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:12 PM 988 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 03/08/2010 05:31:43 PM 1928 Views
Crookshanks. - 08/08/2010 02:22:36 PM 1821 Views
Yes - 08/08/2010 02:25:12 PM 1805 Views
I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 08:16:01 PM 1756 Views
Re: I knew I saw this somewhere. - 09/08/2010 09:01:18 PM 1881 Views
pedant. - 09/08/2010 09:27:25 PM 1917 Views
Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:20:18 PM 1946 Views
Re: Did they come out and explain Crookshanks? - 11/08/2010 04:21:37 PM 1746 Views
The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:26:37 PM 1004 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:36:35 PM 1911 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:48:57 PM 1982 Views
Re: The Quidditch Cup, and anything else you want to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:57:06 PM 1870 Views
For Quidditch fans, this is probably the best book. - 03/08/2010 05:38:49 PM 1838 Views
spoilers in headlines, mister! - 03/08/2010 05:43:22 PM 1874 Views
I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 05:40:37 PM 1777 Views
Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:00:12 PM 1886 Views
Re: Jordan's commenting is always great. - 03/08/2010 06:18:01 PM 2089 Views
Re: I really enjoyed the first quidditch match. - 03/08/2010 06:02:53 PM 1838 Views
Chapters 16-18. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:11 PM 1044 Views
Characters. - 04/08/2010 04:16:39 PM 1975 Views
Re: Characters. - 04/08/2010 05:18:56 PM 1891 Views
Re. Sirius. - 05/08/2010 02:40:41 PM 1972 Views
Witnessing and getting the truth through to Harry. - 05/08/2010 10:00:34 PM 1872 Views
Hm. - 08/08/2010 02:58:46 PM 1768 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:01:48 PM 1688 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:07:29 PM 1899 Views
Re: Hm. - 08/08/2010 03:12:48 PM 1794 Views
OK - 08/08/2010 03:15:10 PM 1830 Views
Re: OK - 08/08/2010 03:16:23 PM 1904 Views
Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 04:18:52 PM 1771 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 04/08/2010 05:18:04 PM 1641 Views
Heh. - 08/08/2010 03:05:16 PM 1913 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 04/08/2010 04:19:15 PM 1126 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 04/08/2010 05:19:45 PM 1739 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:09:23 PM 1937 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:11:43 PM 1909 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:14:04 PM 1711 Views
Re: Other thoughts. - 08/08/2010 03:15:51 PM 1779 Views
Chapters 19-20. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:27 PM 984 Views
Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:40:22 PM 1661 Views
Re: Characters. - 05/08/2010 02:45:53 PM 2184 Views
See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:04:24 PM 2217 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:13:21 PM 1944 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 03:54:31 PM 2303 Views
Re: See my sudden realizations on Snape... (spoilers books 4, 6 & 7) - 05/08/2010 05:01:52 PM 2114 Views
Something I've only just realized about Snape... (massive book six and seven spoilers) - 05/08/2010 02:53:15 PM 1944 Views
I didn't think of that! Of course you are right! - 05/08/2010 02:58:45 PM 1910 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:40:42 PM 899 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 05/08/2010 02:48:02 PM 2105 Views
I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:09:59 PM 1880 Views
Re: I think it's a good thing she explains her clues. - 05/08/2010 03:16:37 PM 1881 Views
Ah, yes, my bad. - 05/08/2010 04:02:26 PM 1803 Views
Other thoughts. *NM* - 05/08/2010 02:41:01 PM 938 Views
killing - 05/08/2010 02:48:33 PM 1744 Views
Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:12:15 PM 1971 Views
Re: Yeah, I noted the same thing. (spoilers for rest of series) - 05/08/2010 03:18:12 PM 1774 Views
Chapters 21-22. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:13:42 PM 951 Views
And for the last time in this book... characters? *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:03:30 PM 1007 Views
Re: And for the last time in this book... characters? - 06/08/2010 06:26:23 PM 1850 Views
Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 05:04:14 PM 1691 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 06/08/2010 06:27:54 PM 1702 Views
I normally don't care for time travel. - 07/08/2010 01:20:13 AM 1936 Views
And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. *NM* - 06/08/2010 05:04:46 PM 1034 Views
Re: And everything else you noticed and want to comment on. - 06/08/2010 06:28:40 PM 1817 Views
I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 01:23:02 AM 2047 Views
Re: I love the very very end. - 07/08/2010 08:49:50 AM 1824 Views
Overall thoughts. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:14:03 PM 1028 Views
Character development. - 28/07/2010 01:17:20 PM 1767 Views
Harry develops by leaps and bounds - 28/07/2010 02:13:10 PM 1765 Views
Overarching plot and themes. *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:18:27 PM 956 Views
Things Are Not What They Seem - 01/08/2010 11:15:23 PM 1751 Views
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Re: - 02/08/2010 11:58:30 PM 1808 Views
How good a book is this - compared to the rest of the series, and compared to YA books in general? *NM* - 28/07/2010 01:19:06 PM 1037 Views
I'd say it is one of the best in the series - 02/08/2010 10:23:49 AM 1746 Views
Absolutely. - 05/08/2010 08:15:20 PM 1919 Views
More of a question, really - 01/08/2010 10:40:23 PM 1798 Views
I think this is situational and a sad commentary on his home life. - 02/08/2010 03:01:49 PM 1636 Views
Well, but the question still remains - 02/08/2010 03:04:01 PM 1754 Views
Oh, got it. - 02/08/2010 03:12:47 PM 1841 Views
Ah, interesting - 02/08/2010 03:50:41 PM 1888 Views
The problem came down to actually doing the work. - 02/08/2010 03:54:21 PM 1812 Views
I never had any. - 03/08/2010 03:25:07 PM 1730 Views
I'm finding this one more difficult to discuss. - 03/08/2010 05:38:01 PM 1816 Views
Apparently you are not alone in that. - 03/08/2010 05:48:13 PM 1950 Views
I suppose this is more or less the right place for this. - 04/08/2010 11:59:45 PM 1905 Views
Hehehe - 05/08/2010 12:14:38 AM 1818 Views
I had totally forgotten about that choir and the Ray Bradbury reference. - 05/08/2010 12:37:09 AM 1732 Views
Okay, so possibly a Shakespeare reference also used by Bradbury. Whatever. *NM* - 05/08/2010 12:37:56 AM 947 Views
Possibly? It's the witches in Macbeth. *NM* - 05/08/2010 08:36:20 AM 936 Views
Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 06:46:26 PM 1737 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:16:37 PM 1950 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 07:57:02 PM 1777 Views
Re: Since I'm being scolded, I'll try to focus. - 09/08/2010 08:00:01 PM 1845 Views
Suggestions for the re-read. - 28/07/2010 06:14:49 PM 1946 Views
I was wondering when this would come up - 28/07/2010 06:39:01 PM 1779 Views
I knew I was gonna forget something. - 28/07/2010 06:55:50 PM 1875 Views
Perhaps - 29/07/2010 09:29:53 AM 1820 Views
I considered that, but it seemed overly non-trusting, and nobody has posted in them yet? *NM* - 29/07/2010 10:12:23 AM 850 Views
Yet - 29/07/2010 10:13:44 AM 1864 Views
<Tattoos "Poor Impulse Control" on your forehead> - 29/07/2010 11:00:07 AM 1898 Views
I may be missing a reference - 29/07/2010 11:03:47 AM 1773 Views
The villain is a huge Aleutian man with such a tattoo. *NM* - 29/07/2010 11:09:30 AM 973 Views
I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:46:13 PM 1878 Views
Re: I think a little break might be a good idea. Give people a chance to catch up. - 02/08/2010 11:59:20 PM 1806 Views
I think I should make clear, just in case, that I don't mean immediately. - 03/08/2010 05:11:26 PM 1757 Views
Yes - 03/08/2010 05:13:10 PM 1758 Views
Your patience is admirable. *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:15:45 PM 932 Views
There are no words *NM* - 03/08/2010 05:16:51 PM 1021 Views

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