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A classic is really any book with enduring value. Tom Send a noteboard - 30/09/2010 05:33:35 PM
How do you define a classic work or author?
To expand on the subject line, a classic is a book which, stylistically and/or in terms of the ideas or emotions it conveys, consistently has literary value to readers generation after generation. Its value endures.

By definition, I think that this requires the work in question to be novel in one way or another, so derivative fiction cannot by definition become "classic". I also believe that truly valuable ideas often (but not necessarily always) require that the book not be easily accessible to everyone, so the reader is forced to work a bit to appreciate the book.

However, I also believe that some more contemporary works can be considered "modern classics" because their ideas are profound enough and common enough to humanity that we can impute to them an enduring value. As such, some of my favorites might be too recent to consider "classics" by virtue of their enduring value.

What are your favorite classic works?

The Brothers Karamazov, by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Idiot, by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Demons, by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Lolita, by Vladimir Nabokov
Pale Fire, by Vladimir Nabokov
Doctor Zhivago, by Boris Pasternak
Fathers and Sons, by Ivan Turgenev
Dead Souls, by Nikolai Gogol
A Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
Tender is the Night, by F. Scott Fitzgerald
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, by Milan Kundera
The Picture of Dorian Gray, by Oscar Wilde
Madame Bovary, by Gustave Flaubert
The Divine Comedy, by Dante Alighieri
The Decameron, by Giovanni Boccaccio
The Iliad and Odyssey, by Homer
The Aeneid, by Virgil
The Metamorphoses, by Ovid
The Golden Ass, by Apuleius
The Argonautica, by Apollonius Rhodius
The tragedies of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides
The comedies of Aristophanes
Beowulf

If you had to suggest just one, which would it be and why? (please not, "because it's good" )

I think which one I would suggest would depend on the person I was talking to. I think Brothers Karamazov is incredible, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to atheists, for example. I would guess I would recommend Doctor Zhivago as a more broadly appealing work.

What have you staunchly refused to read that might be considered a classic?

Moby Dick

Why don't you want to read it?

Almost everyone I know who has read it has not found any real value to it.

I considered myself relatively well read, until I started hanging out around here at least. :) I will answer the questions in the next post to get it started, despite what it might reveal about my literary experience (or lack thereof). Thanks!
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The Classics - general discussion / survey - 30/09/2010 03:52:53 PM 1686 Views
My own answers. - 30/09/2010 04:38:33 PM 1287 Views
I'm trying to read a bit of Shakespeare at the moment - 30/09/2010 07:20:02 PM 1197 Views
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Get a copy with annotations! - 30/09/2010 10:56:12 PM 1133 Views
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Powdered Soup! - 30/09/2010 09:23:51 PM 1306 Views
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Re: Powdered Soup! - 30/09/2010 10:07:20 PM 1249 Views
Re: Powdered Soup! - 30/09/2010 10:10:32 PM 1378 Views
They are much, much worse than powder soup. - 30/09/2010 09:50:07 PM 1129 Views
Well, since they're made of paper... - 30/09/2010 10:09:41 PM 1210 Views
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Cliff's notes - 05/10/2010 08:05:56 PM 1317 Views
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Re: Cliff's notes - 06/10/2010 01:40:38 AM 1317 Views
It's cool. - 06/10/2010 04:42:13 PM 1369 Views
A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 05:33:35 PM 1246 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 06:46:02 PM 1258 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 10:57:23 PM 1309 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 11:39:16 PM 1089 Views
Camilla, that's just because you're an atheist. - 01/10/2010 09:37:34 PM 1139 Views
Yes. - 01/10/2010 09:51:32 PM 1143 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 01/10/2010 12:20:51 AM 1316 Views
I really need to read Kundera. I've heard nothing but praise for Unbearable Lightness. *NM* - 30/09/2010 08:46:18 PM 669 Views
I could post you over a copy to borrow. - 30/09/2010 08:58:08 PM 1066 Views
It is good. *NM* - 30/09/2010 09:34:47 PM 523 Views
totally problematic classics - 30/09/2010 08:07:22 PM 1263 Views
Re: totally problematic classics - 30/09/2010 09:26:46 PM 1159 Views
I study them, apparently. - 30/09/2010 08:44:40 PM 1339 Views
I wish I could do that. - 30/09/2010 09:49:57 PM 1242 Views
Less fun than you'd think. - 30/09/2010 10:52:10 PM 1106 Views
Good survey. - 30/09/2010 10:23:18 PM 1311 Views
Agreed. edited - 30/09/2010 10:37:48 PM 1273 Views
But but but Milton is beautiful - 30/09/2010 10:46:06 PM 1188 Views
Sometimes. - 30/09/2010 10:47:28 PM 1231 Views
Maybe I was unclear. - 30/09/2010 10:55:22 PM 1222 Views
Re: Maybe I was unclear. - 30/09/2010 10:57:41 PM 1100 Views
I'm glad you approve on the whole. - 30/09/2010 11:12:00 PM 1303 Views
I generally do. - 30/09/2010 11:19:05 PM 1221 Views
Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... - 30/09/2010 11:40:24 PM 1382 Views
Re: Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... - 30/09/2010 11:43:20 PM 1245 Views
Dickens - 01/10/2010 02:42:42 PM 1203 Views
Re: I generally do. - 30/09/2010 11:54:11 PM 1281 Views
Oh, and link to the Flecker poem: - 30/09/2010 11:42:30 PM 1120 Views
Re: Good survey. - 01/10/2010 02:52:27 AM 1389 Views
My classics - 30/09/2010 10:54:56 PM 1177 Views
Re: My classics - 01/10/2010 03:01:24 AM 1274 Views
Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 30/09/2010 11:30:41 PM 1350 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 01/10/2010 03:18:58 AM 1211 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 01/10/2010 05:20:10 AM 1270 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 01/10/2010 02:05:35 PM 1237 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 02/10/2010 04:07:10 AM 1228 Views
Ha, we weren't that far off after all. - 04/10/2010 08:11:39 PM 1152 Views
I will not list 300+ books here, I promise - 01/10/2010 12:36:17 AM 1336 Views
O'Connor is wonderful. But I am not sure many can appreciate her. - 01/10/2010 02:50:54 AM 1014 Views
I agree, thus the "confound" part in there - 01/10/2010 02:53:26 AM 1083 Views
I figured as much. - 01/10/2010 03:08:26 AM 1111 Views
I expected you to have quite a few as well. - 01/10/2010 03:25:06 AM 1196 Views
Re: I will not list 300+ books here, I promise - 02/10/2010 11:23:37 AM 1253 Views
Criminy, I thought I was done with essay questions years ago. - 01/10/2010 01:39:56 AM 1221 Views
Glad to bring back the school days. - 01/10/2010 01:49:48 PM 1277 Views
Re: Glad to bring back the school days. - 02/10/2010 05:32:47 AM 1067 Views
not sure but I don't believe in instant classics - 02/10/2010 05:22:07 AM 1263 Views
the bf and I are going to do a "Paradise Lost" book club... - 02/10/2010 08:29:38 AM 1382 Views
Mm, Doré's engravings are gorgeous. - 02/10/2010 11:40:48 AM 1255 Views
Re: Mm, Doré's engravings are gorgeous. - 02/10/2010 09:42:37 PM 1245 Views

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