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A classic is really any book with enduring value. Tom Send a noteboard - 30/09/2010 05:33:35 PM
How do you define a classic work or author?
To expand on the subject line, a classic is a book which, stylistically and/or in terms of the ideas or emotions it conveys, consistently has literary value to readers generation after generation. Its value endures.

By definition, I think that this requires the work in question to be novel in one way or another, so derivative fiction cannot by definition become "classic". I also believe that truly valuable ideas often (but not necessarily always) require that the book not be easily accessible to everyone, so the reader is forced to work a bit to appreciate the book.

However, I also believe that some more contemporary works can be considered "modern classics" because their ideas are profound enough and common enough to humanity that we can impute to them an enduring value. As such, some of my favorites might be too recent to consider "classics" by virtue of their enduring value.

What are your favorite classic works?

The Brothers Karamazov, by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Idiot, by Fyodor Dostoevsky
The Demons, by Fyodor Dostoevsky
Lolita, by Vladimir Nabokov
Pale Fire, by Vladimir Nabokov
Doctor Zhivago, by Boris Pasternak
Fathers and Sons, by Ivan Turgenev
Dead Souls, by Nikolai Gogol
A Clockwork Orange, by Anthony Burgess
Tender is the Night, by F. Scott Fitzgerald
The Unbearable Lightness of Being, by Milan Kundera
The Picture of Dorian Gray, by Oscar Wilde
Madame Bovary, by Gustave Flaubert
The Divine Comedy, by Dante Alighieri
The Decameron, by Giovanni Boccaccio
The Iliad and Odyssey, by Homer
The Aeneid, by Virgil
The Metamorphoses, by Ovid
The Golden Ass, by Apuleius
The Argonautica, by Apollonius Rhodius
The tragedies of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripides
The comedies of Aristophanes
Beowulf

If you had to suggest just one, which would it be and why? (please not, "because it's good" )

I think which one I would suggest would depend on the person I was talking to. I think Brothers Karamazov is incredible, but I'm not sure how relevant it is to atheists, for example. I would guess I would recommend Doctor Zhivago as a more broadly appealing work.

What have you staunchly refused to read that might be considered a classic?

Moby Dick

Why don't you want to read it?

Almost everyone I know who has read it has not found any real value to it.

I considered myself relatively well read, until I started hanging out around here at least. :) I will answer the questions in the next post to get it started, despite what it might reveal about my literary experience (or lack thereof). Thanks!
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The Classics - general discussion / survey - 30/09/2010 03:52:53 PM 1664 Views
My own answers. - 30/09/2010 04:38:33 PM 1257 Views
I'm trying to read a bit of Shakespeare at the moment - 30/09/2010 07:20:02 PM 1158 Views
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Get a copy with annotations! - 30/09/2010 10:56:12 PM 1114 Views
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Powdered Soup! - 30/09/2010 09:23:51 PM 1273 Views
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Re: Powdered Soup! - 30/09/2010 10:07:20 PM 1224 Views
Re: Powdered Soup! - 30/09/2010 10:10:32 PM 1356 Views
They are much, much worse than powder soup. - 30/09/2010 09:50:07 PM 1100 Views
Well, since they're made of paper... - 30/09/2010 10:09:41 PM 1180 Views
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Cliff's notes - 05/10/2010 08:05:56 PM 1286 Views
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Re: Cliff's notes - 06/10/2010 01:40:38 AM 1292 Views
It's cool. - 06/10/2010 04:42:13 PM 1347 Views
A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 05:33:35 PM 1217 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 06:46:02 PM 1226 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 10:57:23 PM 1275 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 30/09/2010 11:39:16 PM 1048 Views
Camilla, that's just because you're an atheist. - 01/10/2010 09:37:34 PM 1114 Views
Yes. - 01/10/2010 09:51:32 PM 1116 Views
Re: A classic is really any book with enduring value. - 01/10/2010 12:20:51 AM 1290 Views
I really need to read Kundera. I've heard nothing but praise for Unbearable Lightness. *NM* - 30/09/2010 08:46:18 PM 657 Views
I could post you over a copy to borrow. - 30/09/2010 08:58:08 PM 1040 Views
It is good. *NM* - 30/09/2010 09:34:47 PM 510 Views
totally problematic classics - 30/09/2010 08:07:22 PM 1238 Views
Re: totally problematic classics - 30/09/2010 09:26:46 PM 1126 Views
I study them, apparently. - 30/09/2010 08:44:40 PM 1306 Views
I wish I could do that. - 30/09/2010 09:49:57 PM 1210 Views
Less fun than you'd think. - 30/09/2010 10:52:10 PM 1077 Views
Good survey. - 30/09/2010 10:23:18 PM 1283 Views
Agreed. edited - 30/09/2010 10:37:48 PM 1241 Views
But but but Milton is beautiful - 30/09/2010 10:46:06 PM 1159 Views
Sometimes. - 30/09/2010 10:47:28 PM 1190 Views
Maybe I was unclear. - 30/09/2010 10:55:22 PM 1194 Views
Re: Maybe I was unclear. - 30/09/2010 10:57:41 PM 1067 Views
I'm glad you approve on the whole. - 30/09/2010 11:12:00 PM 1271 Views
I generally do. - 30/09/2010 11:19:05 PM 1194 Views
Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... - 30/09/2010 11:40:24 PM 1355 Views
Re: Excellent. Might as well include a Hooft poem anyway, in case anyone's interested... - 30/09/2010 11:43:20 PM 1209 Views
Dickens - 01/10/2010 02:42:42 PM 1163 Views
Re: I generally do. - 30/09/2010 11:54:11 PM 1249 Views
Oh, and link to the Flecker poem: - 30/09/2010 11:42:30 PM 1093 Views
Re: Good survey. - 01/10/2010 02:52:27 AM 1352 Views
My classics - 30/09/2010 10:54:56 PM 1154 Views
Re: My classics - 01/10/2010 03:01:24 AM 1244 Views
Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 30/09/2010 11:30:41 PM 1325 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 01/10/2010 03:18:58 AM 1172 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 01/10/2010 05:20:10 AM 1240 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 01/10/2010 02:05:35 PM 1210 Views
Re: Ah Cliff, I bow to thee - 02/10/2010 04:07:10 AM 1199 Views
Ha, we weren't that far off after all. - 04/10/2010 08:11:39 PM 1121 Views
I will not list 300+ books here, I promise - 01/10/2010 12:36:17 AM 1310 Views
O'Connor is wonderful. But I am not sure many can appreciate her. - 01/10/2010 02:50:54 AM 989 Views
I agree, thus the "confound" part in there - 01/10/2010 02:53:26 AM 1063 Views
I figured as much. - 01/10/2010 03:08:26 AM 1089 Views
I expected you to have quite a few as well. - 01/10/2010 03:25:06 AM 1167 Views
Re: I will not list 300+ books here, I promise - 02/10/2010 11:23:37 AM 1221 Views
Criminy, I thought I was done with essay questions years ago. - 01/10/2010 01:39:56 AM 1193 Views
Glad to bring back the school days. - 01/10/2010 01:49:48 PM 1253 Views
Re: Glad to bring back the school days. - 02/10/2010 05:32:47 AM 1040 Views
not sure but I don't believe in instant classics - 02/10/2010 05:22:07 AM 1216 Views
the bf and I are going to do a "Paradise Lost" book club... - 02/10/2010 08:29:38 AM 1363 Views
Mm, Doré's engravings are gorgeous. - 02/10/2010 11:40:48 AM 1230 Views
Re: Mm, Doré's engravings are gorgeous. - 02/10/2010 09:42:37 PM 1224 Views

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