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Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM
Yes. I am still not quite happy with this strange and erratic switch of focus. But I'll forgive the first one because it (as the one in book 4 did) shows how magic intrudes so horribly into the world of powerless muggles, which has grown to be a major sub-theme (if there is such a thing). The very casual way in which it can be arranged that the President of some country can "forget" to call, and remember to do it tomorrow instead, for example. Not to mention the obvious problems that the Death Eaters are causing. It also shows up in the third chapter, if obliquely: Dumbledore's wand by its mere presence subdues the Dursleys, who dare not express themselves as they would otherwise have done. It is problematic. Unavoidable, perhaps, but still. Interestingly, the forced (more overtly) lack of expression in Kreecher echoes this. In my mind, at least. It ties the two together.

Good point. And of course it has the advantage of giving us an idea of just how hard Voldemort is going at it now that his secrecy has ended - by showing how much even the Muggles are noticing, it's stronger than it would've been with just Prophet reporting. He really has come out guns blazing now, I never really fully appreciated the contrast before - iirc one of the final chapters of book four is called "The Second Wizard War Starts" or some such, but it's only here that it has really started, almost from one day to the next.
Actually, my main problem with the alternative focalization stems from the way she used it in the first three books to keep information from the reader, making it read like a detective story. She moves away from the detective story pattern in the fourth and fifth books, and I suppose that while it is present to a certain degree in this book, it is also radically changed. Seeing as Harry is right for a change, for instance (which is confirmed even before he is right). Still.

True, there are less detective elements in the final books, though obviously we still have the big plot involving Draco and Snape that we'll get clues about in the usual style. But it's not Harry's main concern.
Also, I forgive the second one because it shows Snape outside of Hogwarts, doing something good that looks bad. I love that. It makes me giddy.

Yes, it is interesting. I find it interesting for all three of them, really, though it gives us little new insight into Bellatrix. But Narcissa - I commented on her above in my reply to Seriana, but I skimmed the chapter again now and it really goes even further than what I said. It's not just that the Malfoys are opportunists, I am beginning to think they are actually afraid and not happy at all with Voldemort's return. Certainly Narcissa, but perhaps Lucius as well. And why should they be - they have little to gain, but much to lose.

Which makes it really kind of shocking how easily Voldemort can gain power during this book and the next one. When even a crucial ally like Malfoy is serving more because of fear than any real enthusiasm, the conclusion is Voldemort really has little more than a handful of outcasts and breakout convicts plus those he intimidates into supporting him, and that's enough to take over wizarding Britain. I'm now kind of reminded of the Catiline Conspiracy (yes, an odd connection, I know, but I'm reading a biography of Caesar, soon to be reviewed), only with an obviously more exceptional leader and with actual success. Or, I suppose, the inevitable Nazism comparisons, but you know, they started out a similar way perhaps (charismatic leader with a handful of lieutenants and a bunch of outcast losers) but only got real power after getting a massive popular following.

And to think his best people are actually in jail while he's doing all those things, so he's left with really close to nothing besides Bellatrix.
In the third chapter, it is interesting to see how close the papers are to the truth about the prophecy. I suppose one narrative pattern fits another. We also get the rift between Dumbledore and Scrimgeour, and inferi are introduced.

Yeah, which kind of proves the Prophet is quite good when they want to be, and they just didn't want to be earlier...
It also occurs to me that Dumbledore's "we have corresponded, of course" to Petunia means something other than what Harry attributes to it (shock) -- as is revealed in book 7, I think?

Indeed.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 2965 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1680 Views
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Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 1913 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1665 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1726 Views
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*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1603 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1013 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 955 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 1956 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1955 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1908 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1899 Views
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I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1694 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 18/10/2010 06:27:40 PM 1447 Views
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff - 19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM 1717 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue - 20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM 1677 Views
Oh, her writing is glorious in these chapters. - 22/10/2010 07:31:14 PM 1755 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 870 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1819 Views
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Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1779 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1020 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 1904 Views
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On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1772 Views
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Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1729 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1647 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1777 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1817 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 860 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1609 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1598 Views
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Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 970 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 1858 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1611 Views
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More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1616 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1612 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1798 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1723 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1673 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1812 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1715 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1795 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1791 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 959 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1743 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1649 Views
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Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1661 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 976 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1611 Views
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Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 1015 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 982 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 1893 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1744 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1586 Views
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~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1635 Views
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Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1680 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1746 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1783 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1728 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1761 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 801 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1598 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1730 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1579 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1798 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1694 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1653 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1713 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1705 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1664 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1666 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1947 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1815 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 844 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1708 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 973 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 956 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1687 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1663 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1697 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1849 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 773 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1714 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1877 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1730 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1749 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 805 Views
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Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1795 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1656 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1840 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1702 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1762 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1605 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 945 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1030 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1843 Views
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Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1731 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1426 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1680 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1684 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1612 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1770 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 838 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1705 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1768 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 737 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1061 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1581 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1821 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 842 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1898 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 861 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 1983 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 982 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1737 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1760 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1783 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 873 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1701 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1765 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1784 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1611 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1771 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1742 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 859 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1600 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1432 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1645 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 882 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1690 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1930 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1670 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 983 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 819 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 949 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1615 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1668 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1763 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1760 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1726 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1876 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2015 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 831 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1736 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1935 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1642 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1761 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1741 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1983 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2214 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1750 Views
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