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Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM
Yes. I am still not quite happy with this strange and erratic switch of focus. But I'll forgive the first one because it (as the one in book 4 did) shows how magic intrudes so horribly into the world of powerless muggles, which has grown to be a major sub-theme (if there is such a thing). The very casual way in which it can be arranged that the President of some country can "forget" to call, and remember to do it tomorrow instead, for example. Not to mention the obvious problems that the Death Eaters are causing. It also shows up in the third chapter, if obliquely: Dumbledore's wand by its mere presence subdues the Dursleys, who dare not express themselves as they would otherwise have done. It is problematic. Unavoidable, perhaps, but still. Interestingly, the forced (more overtly) lack of expression in Kreecher echoes this. In my mind, at least. It ties the two together.

Good point. And of course it has the advantage of giving us an idea of just how hard Voldemort is going at it now that his secrecy has ended - by showing how much even the Muggles are noticing, it's stronger than it would've been with just Prophet reporting. He really has come out guns blazing now, I never really fully appreciated the contrast before - iirc one of the final chapters of book four is called "The Second Wizard War Starts" or some such, but it's only here that it has really started, almost from one day to the next.
Actually, my main problem with the alternative focalization stems from the way she used it in the first three books to keep information from the reader, making it read like a detective story. She moves away from the detective story pattern in the fourth and fifth books, and I suppose that while it is present to a certain degree in this book, it is also radically changed. Seeing as Harry is right for a change, for instance (which is confirmed even before he is right). Still.

True, there are less detective elements in the final books, though obviously we still have the big plot involving Draco and Snape that we'll get clues about in the usual style. But it's not Harry's main concern.
Also, I forgive the second one because it shows Snape outside of Hogwarts, doing something good that looks bad. I love that. It makes me giddy.

Yes, it is interesting. I find it interesting for all three of them, really, though it gives us little new insight into Bellatrix. But Narcissa - I commented on her above in my reply to Seriana, but I skimmed the chapter again now and it really goes even further than what I said. It's not just that the Malfoys are opportunists, I am beginning to think they are actually afraid and not happy at all with Voldemort's return. Certainly Narcissa, but perhaps Lucius as well. And why should they be - they have little to gain, but much to lose.

Which makes it really kind of shocking how easily Voldemort can gain power during this book and the next one. When even a crucial ally like Malfoy is serving more because of fear than any real enthusiasm, the conclusion is Voldemort really has little more than a handful of outcasts and breakout convicts plus those he intimidates into supporting him, and that's enough to take over wizarding Britain. I'm now kind of reminded of the Catiline Conspiracy (yes, an odd connection, I know, but I'm reading a biography of Caesar, soon to be reviewed), only with an obviously more exceptional leader and with actual success. Or, I suppose, the inevitable Nazism comparisons, but you know, they started out a similar way perhaps (charismatic leader with a handful of lieutenants and a bunch of outcast losers) but only got real power after getting a massive popular following.

And to think his best people are actually in jail while he's doing all those things, so he's left with really close to nothing besides Bellatrix.
In the third chapter, it is interesting to see how close the papers are to the truth about the prophecy. I suppose one narrative pattern fits another. We also get the rift between Dumbledore and Scrimgeour, and inferi are introduced.

Yeah, which kind of proves the Prophet is quite good when they want to be, and they just didn't want to be earlier...
It also occurs to me that Dumbledore's "we have corresponded, of course" to Petunia means something other than what Harry attributes to it (shock) -- as is revealed in book 7, I think?

Indeed.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3149 Views
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I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1815 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 18/10/2010 06:27:40 PM 1573 Views
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff - 19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM 1862 Views
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Oh, her writing is glorious in these chapters. - 22/10/2010 07:31:14 PM 1890 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 940 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1957 Views
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Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1782 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1879 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1921 Views
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Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1710 Views
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Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1747 Views
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Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1841 Views
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I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1735 Views
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I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1702 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1871 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1855 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1902 Views
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It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1840 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1705 Views
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But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1828 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1768 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1810 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1810 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1779 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1802 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2069 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1945 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 909 Views
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My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1771 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1821 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 821 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1840 Views
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Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1848 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1770 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1975 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1897 Views
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Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1019 Views
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Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1971 Views
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And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1799 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1764 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1891 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 904 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1807 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1880 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 796 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1144 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1697 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 902 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2036 Views
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Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2091 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1052 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1853 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1885 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1920 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 927 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1824 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1879 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1927 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1708 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1888 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1894 Views
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Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1708 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1549 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1757 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 933 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1814 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2056 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1781 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1053 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 882 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1008 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1742 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1876 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1876 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1846 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2016 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2138 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 898 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1861 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2098 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1908 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1857 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2091 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2345 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1891 Views
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