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Re: *spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 02:58:54 PM
Yes. I am still not quite happy with this strange and erratic switch of focus. But I'll forgive the first one because it (as the one in book 4 did) shows how magic intrudes so horribly into the world of powerless muggles, which has grown to be a major sub-theme (if there is such a thing). The very casual way in which it can be arranged that the President of some country can "forget" to call, and remember to do it tomorrow instead, for example. Not to mention the obvious problems that the Death Eaters are causing. It also shows up in the third chapter, if obliquely: Dumbledore's wand by its mere presence subdues the Dursleys, who dare not express themselves as they would otherwise have done. It is problematic. Unavoidable, perhaps, but still. Interestingly, the forced (more overtly) lack of expression in Kreecher echoes this. In my mind, at least. It ties the two together.

Good point. And of course it has the advantage of giving us an idea of just how hard Voldemort is going at it now that his secrecy has ended - by showing how much even the Muggles are noticing, it's stronger than it would've been with just Prophet reporting. He really has come out guns blazing now, I never really fully appreciated the contrast before - iirc one of the final chapters of book four is called "The Second Wizard War Starts" or some such, but it's only here that it has really started, almost from one day to the next.
Actually, my main problem with the alternative focalization stems from the way she used it in the first three books to keep information from the reader, making it read like a detective story. She moves away from the detective story pattern in the fourth and fifth books, and I suppose that while it is present to a certain degree in this book, it is also radically changed. Seeing as Harry is right for a change, for instance (which is confirmed even before he is right). Still.

True, there are less detective elements in the final books, though obviously we still have the big plot involving Draco and Snape that we'll get clues about in the usual style. But it's not Harry's main concern.
Also, I forgive the second one because it shows Snape outside of Hogwarts, doing something good that looks bad. I love that. It makes me giddy.

Yes, it is interesting. I find it interesting for all three of them, really, though it gives us little new insight into Bellatrix. But Narcissa - I commented on her above in my reply to Seriana, but I skimmed the chapter again now and it really goes even further than what I said. It's not just that the Malfoys are opportunists, I am beginning to think they are actually afraid and not happy at all with Voldemort's return. Certainly Narcissa, but perhaps Lucius as well. And why should they be - they have little to gain, but much to lose.

Which makes it really kind of shocking how easily Voldemort can gain power during this book and the next one. When even a crucial ally like Malfoy is serving more because of fear than any real enthusiasm, the conclusion is Voldemort really has little more than a handful of outcasts and breakout convicts plus those he intimidates into supporting him, and that's enough to take over wizarding Britain. I'm now kind of reminded of the Catiline Conspiracy (yes, an odd connection, I know, but I'm reading a biography of Caesar, soon to be reviewed), only with an obviously more exceptional leader and with actual success. Or, I suppose, the inevitable Nazism comparisons, but you know, they started out a similar way perhaps (charismatic leader with a handful of lieutenants and a bunch of outcast losers) but only got real power after getting a massive popular following.

And to think his best people are actually in jail while he's doing all those things, so he's left with really close to nothing besides Bellatrix.
In the third chapter, it is interesting to see how close the papers are to the truth about the prophecy. I suppose one narrative pattern fits another. We also get the rift between Dumbledore and Scrimgeour, and inferi are introduced.

Yeah, which kind of proves the Prophet is quite good when they want to be, and they just didn't want to be earlier...
It also occurs to me that Dumbledore's "we have corresponded, of course" to Petunia means something other than what Harry attributes to it (shock) -- as is revealed in book 7, I think?

Indeed.
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I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1849 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 18/10/2010 06:27:40 PM 1609 Views
*spoilers for book 7* focalisation and why I'l accept it this time, the power/powerless issue &stuff - 19/10/2010 01:02:53 AM 1899 Views
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Oh, her writing is glorious in these chapters. - 22/10/2010 07:31:14 PM 1927 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 962 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1986 Views
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Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1808 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1909 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1953 Views
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Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1753 Views
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Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1782 Views
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Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1819 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1968 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1874 Views
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NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1953 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 1042 Views
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Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1802 Views
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I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1769 Views
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*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1892 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1732 Views
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~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1793 Views
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Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1904 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1940 Views
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The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1885 Views
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Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1940 Views
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It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1868 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1736 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1974 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1859 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1812 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1849 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1841 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1817 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1835 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2105 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1970 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 930 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1852 Views
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Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1887 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1801 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1861 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1995 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 837 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1873 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2014 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1878 Views
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Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1800 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2029 Views
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It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1924 Views
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Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1042 Views
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Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 2006 Views
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And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1851 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1803 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1928 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 927 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1845 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1910 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 818 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1165 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1731 Views
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Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 923 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2068 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 935 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2123 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1073 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1889 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1932 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1960 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 946 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1859 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1907 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1961 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1751 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1921 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1930 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 945 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1745 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1587 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1794 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 952 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1844 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2087 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1811 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1072 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 896 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1023 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1771 Views
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I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1923 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1916 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1881 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2043 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2179 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 922 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1894 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2127 Views
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This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1943 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1884 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2123 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2380 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1923 Views
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