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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... Legolas Send a noteboard - 20/10/2010 11:20:28 PM
I was trying to think of a way to say the same thing, the not malevolently racist bit, but couldn't come up with anything. It's like a general attitude he has but he doesn't hold to it when someone is gifted like Lily or Dirk Creswell. I find it odd.

I think it's not really odd, quite realistic in fact. Just think of all the racists who make exceptions for their personal friends.
Dumbledore refers to his "considerable talents" and I think Slughorn is aware that he may be useful to Voldemort. Do you think this is arrogance on Slughorn's part or an astute observation and reaction?

I think he certainly might be useful to Voldemort, but still it's interesting that he'd think he would be among Voldemort's first priorities, and that Voldemort would risk blowing his cover (well, to the extent he still has a cover). What I also want to know is what he did during the previous war - evidently he never became a DE, but did he spend all that time running away so they could never try to recruit him, too?
See, now I adore Ginny, but I think she's really unfair. I think Fleur is trying in the beginning and then as she gets the attitude she stops trying as hard (the Christmas radio broadcast comes to mind, hardly her most endearing chapter). I never understood why everyone was so shocked that she still wants to marry Bill by the end, if anything I'd think she'd want to call it off before to get away from a family that doesn't want her.

*I* think Ginny is unfair, too, but I'm not sure if Rowling does, which was my point about not being sure what to infer. And yes, agreed - I'm not sure if any reader really would've expected Fleur to go "no, I can't marry him anymore". She's shown a long time ago that she has her priorities straight.
I felt badly for her briefly after the Lucius remark, until she hits back just as hard about Harry being reunited with Sirius.

Heh, yes.
I didn't phrase that as well as I would have liked...I'll blame a lack of coffee. ;) I meant how Mrs. Weasley has always wanted them to be more like Percy and being disappointed with their behavior. It provides a nice counterpoint to this to see them be successful and later showing their mother how much they appreciate her. I think they are great sons.

Oh, yeah, I was glad to see her come around, too.
That's exactly it! He's right in the next book too about something big...so that's the second time a day, right? ;)

Indeed. I suppose it makes sense that he gets to be right more often later on in the books, older and wiser and all... but every once in a while he still has to get things totally and utterly wrong to not make the reader wonder who this guy is and what he's done with Harry Potter.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 2989 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1698 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 1816 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 1930 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1679 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1740 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 1891 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1616 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1023 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 964 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1781 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 1982 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1971 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1923 Views
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*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1915 Views
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Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 2017 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1708 Views
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Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 880 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1831 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 1800 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1794 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1030 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 1878 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 1919 Views
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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1449 Views
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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1716 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 1850 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1787 Views
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Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1671 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1744 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1665 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1793 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1837 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 873 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1622 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1613 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 1022 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 981 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 1873 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1629 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1655 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1633 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1641 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1813 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1738 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1688 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1826 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1730 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1816 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1807 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 1879 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1698 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 966 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1759 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1664 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1688 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1677 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 984 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1626 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 1751 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1735 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 1023 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 990 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 1910 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1765 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1601 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 1789 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 1762 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1652 Views
Re: ~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 09:49:12 PM 1611 Views
Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1698 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 1789 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 1801 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1763 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1800 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1697 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1744 Views
Re: The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 08:10:46 AM 1663 Views
Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1776 Views
Re: Things - 27/10/2010 12:01:17 AM 1815 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 811 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1611 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1744 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1593 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1817 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1710 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1667 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1728 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1721 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1679 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1681 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1964 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1831 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 851 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1725 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 982 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 966 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1702 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1679 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1712 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1864 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 1842 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 784 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1732 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1894 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1750 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1766 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 815 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 1878 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1810 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1670 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1854 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1715 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1775 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1625 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 956 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1040 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1858 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1687 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1702 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 1935 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1787 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1747 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1440 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1697 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1701 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1625 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1787 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 847 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1718 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1781 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 745 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1069 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1594 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1835 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 1915 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 851 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1911 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 870 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 1999 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 992 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1748 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1777 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1802 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 884 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1714 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1786 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1798 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1628 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1789 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1761 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 869 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1613 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1453 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1658 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 892 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1703 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1946 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1689 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 993 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 830 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 958 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1630 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1691 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1780 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1781 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1744 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1893 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2033 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 840 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1750 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1958 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1657 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1784 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1757 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2004 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2231 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1771 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1870 Views

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