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If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM
Look, I loved Foucault's Pendulum, in fact I was so enthralled with it that I don't even like to discuss it in the same thread as Dan Brown. It was tightly written in good prose and I found myself wondering if Eco was really writing fiction. A part of me thought he had "cracked the code" and knew what was Really Going On™. I think that the depth of my esoteric reading interests dating back to middle school really helped me be astounded.

The point is that we shouldn't compare Dan Brown to Umberto Eco. We shouldn't hate him just because he's beautiful...I mean famous and rich. He writes fun beach reading. We should take it for what it is and just enjoy it.
Political correctness is the pettiest form of casuistry.

ἡ δὲ κἀκ τριῶν τρυπημάτων ἐργαζομένη ἐνεκάλει τῇ φύσει, δυσφορουμένη, ὅτι δὴ μὴ καὶ τοὺς τιτθοὺς αὐτῇ εὐρύτερον ἢ νῦν εἰσι τρυπώη, ὅπως καὶ ἄλλην ἐνταῦθα μίξιν ἐπιτεχνᾶσθαι δυνατὴ εἴη. – Procopius

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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2505 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1355 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1216 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1365 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1300 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1298 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1218 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1229 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1235 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1240 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1338 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1309 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 596 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1382 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1227 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1270 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1220 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1280 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 694 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1218 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 581 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 653 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1211 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1293 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1248 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1238 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1229 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1329 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1231 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1508 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1271 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1331 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1212 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1172 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1227 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 596 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1192 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1206 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1187 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1206 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1215 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1257 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 618 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1253 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1217 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1184 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1179 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1343 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1424 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1253 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1492 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1256 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1207 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1201 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1151 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1258 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1317 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 600 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 614 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 626 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 649 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1183 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1273 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1193 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1177 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1187 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1149 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1302 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1212 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1279 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1278 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1328 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1200 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1278 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 513 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1185 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1174 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 637 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 641 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1194 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1100 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1173 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1180 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1251 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 597 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1182 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1272 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1224 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1225 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1192 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 623 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1161 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1307 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1183 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1066 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1403 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1178 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1199 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 590 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1291 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1131 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1211 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1339 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 591 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1123 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1412 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1267 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1283 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1306 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1194 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1178 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1238 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1326 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1310 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1182 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1315 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1247 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1245 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1260 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 599 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1259 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1138 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1313 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1199 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1372 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1421 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1081 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 830 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 620 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1156 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1419 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1199 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1181 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1326 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 626 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 577 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 829 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 615 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1552 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1314 Views
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