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Re: I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. Camilla Send a noteboard - 15/11/2010 04:50:57 PM
Tons and tons of stuff they left out or changed, a few completely pointless additions, but the worst thing is that it's quite simply incomprehensible if you haven't read the books. I was watching with my mother, who just gave up trying to follow the plot. Now admittedly I'm not even sure if she'd seen GoF, and either way it was a long time ago that she saw any of them, but I too was often going "er, you do realize that a viewer who hasn't read the books won't understand this leap you've just made".


Yes. I think that after the 3rd film they assumed everyone would have read the book. To be fair, it is not entirely an unfair assumption. They seemed to be ... ubiquitous at one point. But I think that because of that, and under the guise of the increasingly abused "films should not aim to simply retell a book" idea, they changed their role from telling the story to simply illustrating it with pretty people and props. Which they do quite well.

The HP movies after the second or arguably the third have three strong suits, imho: the set design (their Hogwarts, Ministry, Diagon Alley etc. are rather neat), the action (which is generally quite entertaining and even though they change a lot there too, it doesn't generally matter that much), and a number of actors (in particular Evanna Lynch, Alan Rickman, Emma Watson, Robbie Coltrane, Dame Maggie Smith, and of course Helena Bonham-Carter). Everything else, not so much. They are nearly impossible to follow for those who haven't read the books, and a constant source of aggravation for those who have. I really hope they'll do better in book seven, what with having twice as much time to tell the story. But then, considering how much they've cut out of earlier movies that they now have to get back in (or risk incomprehensibility once more, but then clearly that doesn't bother them much), that might not mean much.


You must not forget David Thewlis, the main reason why I am still watching.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 2750 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1601 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 1719 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 1834 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1586 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1648 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 1796 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1524 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 941 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 886 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1689 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 1864 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 1874 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 1828 Views
Re: (minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 05:26:50 PM 1599 Views
*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 1822 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:39:44 AM 1624 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 1918 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1615 Views
Re: I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 08:33:44 PM 1729 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 797 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 1741 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 1707 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1703 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 951 Views
Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 03:46:47 PM 1782 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 1824 Views
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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:20:28 PM 1612 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1354 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 10:20:28 PM 1725 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1622 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 1758 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1690 Views
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Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1575 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1647 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1567 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1698 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1737 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 790 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1530 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1520 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 942 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 899 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 1780 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1529 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1559 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1538 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1534 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1721 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1644 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1591 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 1733 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1636 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1717 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1707 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 1777 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1600 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 889 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1664 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1569 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1593 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1586 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 906 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1535 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 1657 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1642 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 941 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 910 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 1813 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1666 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1506 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 1682 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 1670 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1556 Views
Re: ~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 09:49:12 PM 1518 Views
Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1603 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 1691 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 1702 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1667 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1705 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1604 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1649 Views
Re: The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 08:10:46 AM 1572 Views
Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1684 Views
Re: Things - 27/10/2010 12:01:17 AM 1697 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 732 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1523 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1652 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1502 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1722 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1615 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1575 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1636 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1625 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1586 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1588 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 1860 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 1736 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 773 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1630 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 902 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 885 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1604 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1583 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1614 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 1770 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 1746 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 703 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1634 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 1789 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1652 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1670 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 733 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 1781 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1716 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1576 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 1762 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1623 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1683 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1524 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 873 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 961 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 1765 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1594 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1598 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 1836 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1692 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1653 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1350 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1594 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1607 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1535 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1690 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 769 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1613 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1690 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 668 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 991 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1500 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 1745 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 1821 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 771 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 1820 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 792 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 1902 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 912 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1661 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1681 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1702 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 806 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1625 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1679 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1696 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1531 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1690 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1667 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 787 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1521 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1355 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1567 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 813 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1607 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 1850 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1590 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 913 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 750 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 879 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1537 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1593 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1688 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1682 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1648 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 1797 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 1937 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 759 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1660 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 1859 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1561 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1684 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1663 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 1905 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2138 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1674 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 1776 Views
I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. - 15/11/2010 04:45:48 PM 1770 Views
Re: I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. - 15/11/2010 04:50:57 PM 1589 Views

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