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Re: I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. Camilla Send a noteboard - 15/11/2010 04:50:57 PM
Tons and tons of stuff they left out or changed, a few completely pointless additions, but the worst thing is that it's quite simply incomprehensible if you haven't read the books. I was watching with my mother, who just gave up trying to follow the plot. Now admittedly I'm not even sure if she'd seen GoF, and either way it was a long time ago that she saw any of them, but I too was often going "er, you do realize that a viewer who hasn't read the books won't understand this leap you've just made".


Yes. I think that after the 3rd film they assumed everyone would have read the book. To be fair, it is not entirely an unfair assumption. They seemed to be ... ubiquitous at one point. But I think that because of that, and under the guise of the increasingly abused "films should not aim to simply retell a book" idea, they changed their role from telling the story to simply illustrating it with pretty people and props. Which they do quite well.

The HP movies after the second or arguably the third have three strong suits, imho: the set design (their Hogwarts, Ministry, Diagon Alley etc. are rather neat), the action (which is generally quite entertaining and even though they change a lot there too, it doesn't generally matter that much), and a number of actors (in particular Evanna Lynch, Alan Rickman, Emma Watson, Robbie Coltrane, Dame Maggie Smith, and of course Helena Bonham-Carter). Everything else, not so much. They are nearly impossible to follow for those who haven't read the books, and a constant source of aggravation for those who have. I really hope they'll do better in book seven, what with having twice as much time to tell the story. But then, considering how much they've cut out of earlier movies that they now have to get back in (or risk incomprehensibility once more, but then clearly that doesn't bother them much), that might not mean much.


You must not forget David Thewlis, the main reason why I am still watching.
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The Great Harry Potter Re-read: Book Six, Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince - 18/10/2010 06:12:40 PM 3207 Views
General comments on the book. - 18/10/2010 06:14:10 PM 1867 Views
I am enjoying this a lot more than I thought I would. - 22/10/2010 07:25:17 PM 2014 Views
Yes, I'm loving that I can read in English again. - 22/10/2010 10:10:32 PM 2089 Views
Me too - 01/11/2010 02:11:28 PM 1844 Views
Suggestions. - 18/10/2010 06:18:46 PM 1921 Views
Re: Suggestions. - 20/10/2010 03:20:18 PM 2056 Views
*cough* - 09/11/2010 09:24:21 AM 1789 Views
Oh yes. I'm being distracted by Towers of Midnight. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:11:22 PM 1109 Views
Shocking. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:43 PM 1052 Views
Are we having a break right now? - 12/11/2010 06:48:10 PM 1940 Views
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Chapters 1-3: The Other Minister, Spinner's End, Will and Won't. - 18/10/2010 06:21:55 PM 2125 Views
Characters: The three Ministers, Snape, Narcissa, Bellatrix, Harry, Dumbledore, the Dursleys. - 18/10/2010 06:25:12 PM 2128 Views
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(minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 11:27:53 AM 2096 Views
Re: (minor book seven spoilers) - 19/10/2010 05:26:50 PM 1878 Views
*spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 01:01:35 AM 2101 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:39:44 AM 1924 Views
Re: *spoilers for book 7* an assortment of characters - 19/10/2010 11:48:45 AM 2179 Views
I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 07:30:03 PM 1877 Views
Re: I rather enjoyed the new characters. - 22/10/2010 08:33:44 PM 2007 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 18/10/2010 06:28:16 PM 975 Views
Dumbledore-centered. - 19/10/2010 01:03:05 AM 2012 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:31:56 PM 1978 Views
Re: Dumbledore-centered. - 22/10/2010 07:33:34 PM 1957 Views
Chapters 4-6: Horace Slughorn, An Excess of Phlegm, Draco's Detour. *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:44:39 PM 1112 Views
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(Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 09:25:20 PM 2123 Views
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Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:20:28 PM 1891 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 21/10/2010 12:04:23 AM 1646 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 10:20:28 PM 2016 Views
Re: (Mostly) on Slughorn, Narcissa and Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:23:38 PM 1889 Views
Re: Characters: Slughorn, Fleur, the Trio, Draco and Narcissa Malfoy,... - 20/10/2010 10:15:58 PM 2036 Views
On Ron's reaction to Fleur... - 20/10/2010 11:30:48 PM 1970 Views
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Fleur - 23/10/2010 05:11:08 PM 1835 Views
Dumbledore, Slughorn, Tonks, Mr & Mrs Weasley, Hermione, Narcissa and the twins. - 20/10/2010 09:23:04 PM 1911 Views
Characters. - 25/10/2010 03:10:35 AM 1833 Views
Plotting and writing. - 20/10/2010 03:47:55 PM 1938 Views
*minor spoilers for book 7* - 20/10/2010 09:23:44 PM 1983 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 20/10/2010 03:48:07 PM 968 Views
Dumbledore's Stephen Fry moment... or maybe that's just me. - 22/10/2010 07:35:59 PM 1786 Views
It's not just you - 22/10/2010 08:34:25 PM 1782 Views
Chapters 7-9: Slug Club, Snape Victorious, The Half-Blood Prince *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:03 PM 1124 Views
Characters *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:24 PM 1061 Views
Harry, Romilda, Malfoy (in luuuve), Snape, Lavender Brown, McGonagall, Hermione and Slughorn. - 22/10/2010 07:26:19 PM 2039 Views
Thoughts about your thoughts. - 23/10/2010 05:28:10 PM 1818 Views
Re: Thoughts about your thoughts. - 24/10/2010 09:18:37 AM 1813 Views
More characters. - 25/10/2010 03:21:33 AM 1828 Views
Re: More characters. - 25/10/2010 10:27:33 AM 1847 Views
Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 07:54:35 PM 1987 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:04:24 PM 1924 Views
Re: Love is in the air, evidently. - 22/10/2010 09:54:46 PM 1848 Views
Slytherin had been in need of new blood for a long time. (And assorted other comments.) - 22/10/2010 10:34:49 PM 2001 Views
Neville. - 23/10/2010 05:30:39 PM 1917 Views
Re: Neville. - 08/11/2010 02:35:57 PM 1997 Views
NEWT Potions - 24/10/2010 03:24:42 AM 1990 Views
Re: Characters - 24/10/2010 03:41:30 AM 2033 Views
Re: Characters - 25/10/2010 10:44:00 AM 1868 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:37 PM 1058 Views
Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 07:27:23 PM 1946 Views
Malfoy and the DADA job. - 22/10/2010 10:51:03 PM 1855 Views
Re: Malfoy and the DADA job. - 25/10/2010 11:31:57 AM 1890 Views
Re: Dumbledore, patronuses and the DADA job. - 23/10/2010 05:32:27 PM 1833 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 22/10/2010 07:23:50 PM 1072 Views
I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 22/10/2010 07:28:04 PM 1804 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 23/10/2010 05:33:27 PM 1926 Views
Re: I believe in Wrackspurts, too. And some questions. - 25/10/2010 03:06:43 AM 1885 Views
Chapters 10-12: The House of Gaunt, Hermione's Helping Hand, Silver and Opals. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:00:02 PM 1127 Views
Characters: The Gaunts, the Trio, Hagrid, and many more. *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:02:07 PM 1076 Views
Harry's continued insistence about Malfoy really irritates me (even though he's right). - 25/10/2010 06:15:23 PM 2101 Views
*lol* - 25/10/2010 06:39:19 PM 1923 Views
I don't hide from my faults. - 25/10/2010 08:01:39 PM 1766 Views
Re: I don't hide from my faults. - 28/10/2010 04:59:54 AM 1933 Views
Re: *lol* - 26/10/2010 09:50:09 AM 1908 Views
~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 03:14:52 PM 1825 Views
Re: ~geeky moment~ - 26/10/2010 09:49:12 PM 1778 Views
Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 25/10/2010 10:23:55 PM 1841 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 26/10/2010 11:56:59 PM 1976 Views
Re: Trelawny, Ogden, Gaunt, Ron, Hermione, Ron and Harry - 27/10/2010 08:14:42 AM 1957 Views
Plotting and writing. - 25/10/2010 05:03:16 PM 1934 Views
Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 25/10/2010 05:37:28 PM 1968 Views
Re: Amazing amounts of accurate guesswork here, in hindsight. - 26/10/2010 09:46:47 AM 1855 Views
The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 12:05:48 AM 1913 Views
Re: The smuggling and Trelawney's rambling. - 27/10/2010 08:10:46 AM 1843 Views
Things - 25/10/2010 10:24:19 PM 1996 Views
Re: Things - 27/10/2010 12:01:17 AM 1989 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 25/10/2010 05:03:32 PM 887 Views
Dumbledore still sounds like Stephen Fry. And reflections on the nature of Potions class. - 25/10/2010 05:11:24 PM 1807 Views
It's like baking, I think. - 25/10/2010 05:32:42 PM 1897 Views
Good analogy - 25/10/2010 05:52:38 PM 1771 Views
Yes, exactly like baking - and advanced baking involves experimenting, substituting, improvising. - 25/10/2010 06:42:42 PM 1999 Views
But not at high school. - 25/10/2010 07:57:44 PM 1884 Views
Also - 04/11/2010 09:29:47 AM 1858 Views
Also, Parseltongue - is Harry that thick, or is it a magic thing? - 25/10/2010 05:18:41 PM 1878 Views
I think it's a magic thing. - 25/10/2010 05:34:09 PM 1870 Views
It can be learned actually. Dumbledore implies he knows it and Ron uses it in book 7 - 25/10/2010 05:55:28 PM 1867 Views
Huh. I completely missed that. Good thing we're doing a reread. - 25/10/2010 05:57:38 PM 1883 Views
Speaking of Dumbledore and Parseltongue. - 28/10/2010 05:03:10 AM 2132 Views
parseltongue - 25/10/2010 10:24:46 PM 2006 Views
Interesting how many of our remarks are along similar lines. *NM* - 25/10/2010 10:27:30 PM 942 Views
Indeed - 26/10/2010 09:20:43 AM 1884 Views
Chapters 13-15: The Secret Riddle, Felix Felicis, The Unbreakable Vow *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:16:28 PM 1062 Views
Characters: The Trio, Ginny, Tom Riddle, Draco,... *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:12 PM 1051 Views
Dumbledore, Voldemort, Ron & Hermione, Harry, Ginny, Luna - 27/10/2010 10:31:39 PM 1921 Views
My take on Ginny is rather different, I must say... at least this time around. - 29/10/2010 01:47:20 PM 1836 Views
Girls. - 29/10/2010 05:54:25 PM 1901 Views
Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 02:02:01 PM 2030 Views
Re: Draco: Not as confident as he appears, surely. - 29/10/2010 09:01:56 PM 2018 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:26 PM 853 Views
plot and writing. - 27/10/2010 10:30:14 PM 1912 Views
Re: plot and writing. - 28/10/2010 05:07:03 AM 2042 Views
Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 02:08:35 PM 1914 Views
Re: Draco can dissemble rather well, just like his parents. - 29/10/2010 09:00:36 PM 1932 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 27/10/2010 04:17:42 PM 911 Views
Re: Anything else? - 27/10/2010 10:30:55 PM 2045 Views
Re: Anything else? - 28/10/2010 04:56:10 AM 1969 Views
Harry comments on that when in Snape's memories in book five. - 28/10/2010 10:42:08 AM 1830 Views
I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:39:20 AM 2075 Views
Re: I wonder if that's actually true, though. - 28/10/2010 10:44:22 AM 1901 Views
It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 10:55:49 AM 1957 Views
Re: It's more than that, though. - 28/10/2010 11:48:19 AM 1784 Views
Chapters 16-18: A Very Frosty Christmas, A Sluggish Memory, Birthday Surprises *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:40:39 PM 1064 Views
Characters: The Trio, Fleur, Scrimgeour, Percy, Remus, Slughorn,... *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:43:02 PM 1127 Views
Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 08:51:58 PM 2043 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:24:02 PM 1860 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 29/10/2010 11:51:06 PM 1876 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:14:46 PM 2096 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 31/10/2010 09:07:19 PM 1981 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 06:23:04 PM 1925 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 02/11/2010 07:20:26 PM 1599 Views
Re: Mr Weasley, Lupin, Fleur, Harry and Scrimgeour - 04/11/2010 04:03:02 AM 1864 Views
And - 04/11/2010 10:46:37 AM 1894 Views
Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 05:43:49 PM 1831 Views
Re: Plotting and writing. - 29/10/2010 08:52:34 PM 1955 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 29/10/2010 05:44:04 PM 940 Views
My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:28:43 PM 1882 Views
Re: My comments on Potions class were heeded! Excellent. - 29/10/2010 11:52:12 PM 1940 Views
Chapters 19-21: Elf Tails, Lord Voldemort's Requests, The Unknowable Room *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:22 PM 831 Views
Characters: The Trio, the elves, Draco, Dumbledore,... *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:00:56 PM 1179 Views
the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 02:08:32 PM 1761 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:10:11 PM 2002 Views
Re: the twins, Hermione, Ron, Luna, Voldemort, Draco and Tonks - 01/11/2010 05:16:30 PM 2081 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:13 PM 938 Views
Dumbledore, little girls and the house-elf issue again. - 01/11/2010 02:09:35 PM 2111 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 01/11/2010 02:01:27 PM 947 Views
Chapters 22-24: After the Burial, Horcruxes, Sectumsempra - 03/11/2010 09:50:17 PM 2155 Views
Characters. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:33 PM 1088 Views
Malfoy, Ron & Hermione, Slughorn, Voldemort, Snape and Ginny. - 04/11/2010 12:12:57 AM 1931 Views
Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:02:04 PM 1966 Views
Re: Draco, Slughorn, Snape, the romance. - 04/11/2010 02:16:17 PM 1991 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:50:50 PM 962 Views
Harry wrong again, house elves, horcruxes, free will, well hidden clues and some irony *DH spoiler* - 03/11/2010 10:35:20 PM 1895 Views
Re: Stuff. - 04/11/2010 04:28:04 AM 1934 Views
Re: Stuff. *spoilers for book 7* - 04/11/2010 09:10:19 AM 1993 Views
This "we'll see in book seven" thing is getting old, but still that's what I have to say here... - 04/11/2010 01:23:01 PM 1782 Views
Yes, I think you are right - 04/11/2010 01:24:41 PM 1951 Views
Well, I'm back. Some comments inside. *DH Spoilers* - 08/11/2010 02:28:11 PM 1961 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 03/11/2010 09:51:04 PM 957 Views
Chapters 25-27: The Seer Overheard, The Cave, The Lightning-Struck Tower - 05/11/2010 05:37:42 PM 1777 Views
Plotting and writing. - 05/11/2010 05:39:27 PM 1616 Views
*spoilers for book 7* - 05/11/2010 07:55:07 PM 1822 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 05/11/2010 05:39:43 PM 969 Views
I like how good magic is not flashy. Also, a Tolkien thing - 05/11/2010 07:55:27 PM 1877 Views
I didn't take the comparison as far, but the gate thing did remind me of Moria, yes. (DH spoilers) - 05/11/2010 10:03:16 PM 2123 Views
yes - 05/11/2010 10:06:43 PM 1844 Views
Chapters 28-30: Flight of the Prince, The Phoenix Lament, The White Tomb. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:12 PM 1086 Views
Characters. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:25 PM 907 Views
Plotting and writing. *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:40 PM 1035 Views
Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 02:26:38 PM 1796 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 09/11/2010 04:49:06 PM 1864 Views
I'm assuming not even the Ministry knows 100% what she did. - 13/11/2010 12:26:14 AM 1968 Views
Very true. - 15/11/2010 01:48:36 PM 1952 Views
Not much, no, but there's one fairly crucial mention. - 15/11/2010 04:37:23 PM 1912 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 12:22:22 AM 2077 Views
Re: Spoilers. - 13/11/2010 09:38:09 AM 2214 Views
Anything else? *NM* - 09/11/2010 02:13:53 PM 939 Views
We did the Harry Potter marathon thing on Sunday - 09/11/2010 02:28:08 PM 1932 Views
I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:57:56 PM 2158 Views
Re: I vaguely remember something of the sort, yes. - 09/11/2010 02:58:56 PM 1825 Views
This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:34:33 PM 1972 Views
Re: This is definitely the most painfully altered of the movies. - 09/11/2010 04:36:29 PM 1922 Views
Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:40:24 PM 2154 Views
Re: Very true. - 09/11/2010 04:43:45 PM 2416 Views
Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:53:46 PM 1946 Views
Re: Agreed. - 09/11/2010 04:58:59 PM 2043 Views
I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. - 15/11/2010 04:45:48 PM 2016 Views
Re: I just watched OotP again Saturday night... quite shocking there as well. - 15/11/2010 04:50:57 PM 1839 Views

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