That's a very interesting article. Though it does sound like he'd never be happy.
Legolas Send a noteboard - 18/11/2010 08:06:09 PM
Which makes sense, I guess, there's never such a thing as a perfect unassailable translation - at least not of a work of any complexity. Still, he sounds a bit like an armchair critic.
I liked the point about being unsure what is best, having a good writer for a translator or a less good one. Though it seems like the conundrum only exists because of an insufficiently defined concept of what a "good writer" is, and if one asks the more obvious question of whether you prefer a good translator or a less good one, the answer is in fact easy. And then of course some good writers are bad translators, and the other way around.
I rather doubt if this Herbert's translation was genuinely so much better than the later ones. It's possible, of course, but I don't think one should necessarily interpret Flaubert's reaction that way. It's not as if he could compare it to anything, and no doubt part of the reason why he insisted on Herbert's translation is that she could easily consult him, or he could tell her to change things. Those are advantages alright, but no doubt the others had other advantages. I guess he does say as much at the end, though, that Herbert's translation would merely show us a new way of falling short.
I liked the point about being unsure what is best, having a good writer for a translator or a less good one. Though it seems like the conundrum only exists because of an insufficiently defined concept of what a "good writer" is, and if one asks the more obvious question of whether you prefer a good translator or a less good one, the answer is in fact easy. And then of course some good writers are bad translators, and the other way around.
I rather doubt if this Herbert's translation was genuinely so much better than the later ones. It's possible, of course, but I don't think one should necessarily interpret Flaubert's reaction that way. It's not as if he could compare it to anything, and no doubt part of the reason why he insisted on Herbert's translation is that she could easily consult him, or he could tell her to change things. Those are advantages alright, but no doubt the others had other advantages. I guess he does say as much at the end, though, that Herbert's translation would merely show us a new way of falling short.
Julian Barnes on translation
18/11/2010 05:49:37 PM
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That's a very interesting article. Though it does sound like he'd never be happy.
18/11/2010 08:06:09 PM
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That was a long article.
19/11/2010 07:05:12 PM
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Re: That was a long article.
19/11/2010 09:59:24 PM
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Yeah, I think English translations on average are better than those in smaller languages.
19/11/2010 10:16:44 PM
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On balance, I'm glad I read the Steegmuller translation when I read the novel.
20/11/2010 05:14:42 PM
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Vas-tu faire s’enculée, Camille!
20/11/2010 05:26:08 PM
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If you don't mind a few grammatical corrections of your swearing...
20/11/2010 05:42:57 PM
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It was a quick and dirty rendering
20/11/2010 05:53:13 PM
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And I didn't order from France. It's a US-based company that I bought it from. *NM*
20/11/2010 05:54:55 PM
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I love Pleiade editions
21/11/2010 12:14:14 AM
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How tall are they, out of curiosity?
21/11/2010 12:50:57 AM
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Not tall
21/11/2010 09:59:55 AM
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I got my books today.
23/11/2010 05:38:20 AM
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Re: I got my books today.
23/11/2010 10:33:10 AM
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Regardless, if Pleiade is the best France has to offer, their book industry is awful.
23/11/2010 07:17:13 PM
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Re: Oh Authorial intent.
21/11/2010 02:07:27 AM
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Like hell it's about authorial intent.
21/11/2010 05:40:22 AM
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Re: I didn't even read it, I guessed based on the author's initials.
21/11/2010 01:37:40 PM
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So I take it you missed the whole part about Nabokov's translation of Eugene Onegin.
21/11/2010 03:28:14 PM
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Re: Yes, I missed all of that. Such a conclusion clearly follows from my previous response. *NM*
21/11/2010 03:57:16 PM
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Actually it does. Your responses are just cheap tricks, not discussions. *NM*
21/11/2010 04:44:21 PM
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Re: Cheap tricks?
21/11/2010 10:45:39 PM
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Barnes' article has little to do with authorial intent
21/11/2010 11:37:25 PM
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I think it is more about the "authentic experience" than about intent.
21/11/2010 10:01:57 AM
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