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Well, regarding goodkind... jh Send a noteboard - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM
For Goodkind, it's a bit different. Most people who 'hate' his books, really just dislike the man, his ego, and his rather overblown opinion of the value of his own books.


The books are bad enough, at least later on, to hate them on their own merits. His attitude and the other stuff isn't helping, but I haven't put much weight to those things. After all, I could still read simmons or card... :P

Edit: totally forgot to add some words to make what I wrote somewhat understandable.
"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realize how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world" - Calvin.
This message last edited by jh on 15/09/2009 at 05:24:27 PM
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Why is it that so many people hate Dan Brown? Tom - 14/09/2009 09:24:31 PM 2438 Views
His prose is bad. Very bad. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:28:28 PM 1304 Views
It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Tom - 14/09/2009 09:30:17 PM 1174 Views
Re: It's not any worse than Robert Jordan's prose. I'd say it's better, in fact. Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:32:44 PM 1331 Views
In defense of italics... smaug - 14/09/2009 11:58:35 PM 1252 Views
Re: In defense of italics... Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:02:56 AM 1265 Views
I just rechecked... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:17:23 AM 1172 Views
Thereby... Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:31:44 PM 1196 Views
I have a problem with comparing those italics. Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:33:53 PM 1202 Views
Oh probably Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:40:15 PM 1204 Views
Hehe Rebekah - 15/09/2009 10:42:23 PM 1289 Views
In defense of nothing in particular... smaug - 15/09/2009 11:16:09 PM 1271 Views
Ah. Leroux did publish it as a serial in magazine first so that makes sense. *NM* Rebekah - 15/09/2009 11:19:40 PM 576 Views
Re: Thereby... Camilla - 16/09/2009 10:40:18 AM 1340 Views
I love that line, and nothing you say will change that. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:15:29 PM 1188 Views
That line is great smaug - 15/09/2009 11:21:03 PM 1216 Views
Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Tom - 15/09/2009 04:46:06 AM 1186 Views
Wow, the vehemence. Craig - 15/09/2009 05:55:38 AM 1249 Views
Riddle me this, Batman - if he weren't dying, would he have even done that? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:53:57 PM 677 Views
Yes. Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:38:34 PM 1183 Views
burn *NM* LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:24:49 PM 556 Views
Relevant post as always Celia *NM* Walker_Boh - 15/09/2009 11:36:34 PM 637 Views
So you say... Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:47 AM 1174 Views
No, he didn't. Werthead - 16/09/2009 04:44:31 AM 1246 Views
Re: Jordan didn't have the good sense TO FINISH ANY FUCKING PLOT THREAD Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:05:26 AM 1199 Views
His attitude to history isn't really any different from that of most writers Tom - 15/09/2009 01:54:55 PM 1189 Views
Except Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:23 PM 1190 Views
And ALSO except Tom - 17/09/2009 02:59:03 PM 1287 Views
Re: And ALSO except Camilla - 17/09/2009 05:27:40 PM 1191 Views
I vehemently disagree with this! Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:33:05 PM 1458 Views
How many chapters of Aes Sedai dresses and horse names did we go through in his books? Tom - 15/09/2009 04:45:04 AM 1227 Views
I'd have a slow moving plot to fast moving nonsense any day. fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 05:36:20 AM 1290 Views
With Jordan, that movement was glacial Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:08 PM 1172 Views
so...your problem with jordan is that you're impatient? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:26:07 PM 1128 Views
How many of us can say we're not antsy to know what happened? nossy - 15/09/2009 05:03:24 PM 1185 Views
So plot progression is all that matters? What about the other stuff I mentioned? *NM* fionwe1987 - 15/09/2009 04:50:06 PM 569 Views
Jordan's characters are just as two-dimensional as Brown's Tom - 16/09/2009 02:17:19 AM 1145 Views
Bull... fionwe1987 - 16/09/2009 03:15:49 AM 1166 Views
No, I think you're just blinded by liking WoT Tom - 17/09/2009 03:00:28 PM 1149 Views
No, you seem to be blinded by disliking him, more like. Legolas - 17/09/2009 06:25:21 PM 1156 Views
It's not hyperbole. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:13:47 PM 1177 Views
Yes, it is, and you're really going to have to back your stance up with arguments. Legolas - 17/09/2009 09:21:56 PM 1214 Views
No it isn't, and I won't. I'm bored with this debate. *NM* Tom - 18/09/2009 02:57:00 PM 599 Views
Yeah like that's not the case with you and Dan Brown. fionwe1987 - 17/09/2009 06:56:37 PM 1221 Views
I don't think Dan Brown is a stellar writer. Tom - 17/09/2009 08:11:41 PM 1181 Views
Heh. It was "favourite" fantasy series not "best". Rebekah - 17/09/2009 08:19:02 PM 1149 Views
Then why defend him? fionwe1987 - 18/09/2009 12:14:35 AM 1134 Views
No Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:09:02 AM 1294 Views
Examples. Werthead - 17/09/2009 01:53:21 AM 1381 Views
LOL Rebekah - 17/09/2009 03:16:23 PM 1213 Views
Because he is shit? Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:38:59 PM 1440 Views
Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:43:24 AM 1213 Views
Re: Camilla, you've read shit before and liked it. Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:04:18 AM 1171 Views
Yes, I was talking about the book. Tom - 15/09/2009 01:58:54 PM 1155 Views
Re: Yes, I was talking about the book. Camilla - 15/09/2009 04:56:53 PM 1107 Views
Also Camilla - 14/09/2009 09:41:25 PM 1226 Views
Hate is a strong word. PhotoJim - 14/09/2009 09:44:02 PM 1283 Views
Nicely put. *NM* Rebekah - 14/09/2009 09:46:03 PM 580 Views
*NM* Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:16:35 AM 597 Views
He still didn't dick around with us as long as Robert Jordan did. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:41:01 AM 606 Views
I'm not disagreeing with you on that one. *NM* PhotoJim - 15/09/2009 12:12:52 PM 635 Views
Elitism and frustration he sells so much and better authors don't? Legolas - 14/09/2009 09:51:39 PM 1128 Views
I think so. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:40:20 AM 1219 Views
you thought meyers was entertaining???? LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:28:48 PM 1147 Views
You thought it wasn't entertaining? Darth_Katie - 15/09/2009 07:42:06 PM 1143 Views
I would phrase that 'better' authors Wibble - 15/09/2009 10:29:54 PM 1150 Views
Okay, fair enough. Legolas - 15/09/2009 11:16:56 PM 1113 Views
Given that I know nothing about Dan Brown nossy - 14/09/2009 09:54:15 PM 1264 Views
Pfft! ~locks your reply~ Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:00:23 PM 1168 Views
ooo, lock me baby! nossy - 14/09/2009 10:12:48 PM 1236 Views
A couple of the above points, and Suspension of Disbelief. Craig - 14/09/2009 10:23:26 PM 1241 Views
Good point about the "Ridiculous Things", that bugged me too. Legolas - 14/09/2009 10:35:32 PM 1283 Views
there is a difference between a book, which is a respectable medium, and a hollywood movie. jh - 14/09/2009 10:41:06 PM 1159 Views
There is really only a difference if you're looking for some higher learnin' nossy - 14/09/2009 10:52:39 PM 1230 Views
That statement makes no sense. *NM* jh - 14/09/2009 10:55:53 PM 496 Views
She must have been reading too much Dan Brown. Rebekah - 14/09/2009 10:58:51 PM 1143 Views
Yes it does nossy - 14/09/2009 11:00:41 PM 1138 Views
Only to the strangest of elitists. *NM* Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 12:49:53 AM 620 Views
Go read screenplays for fun, populist. *NM* jh - 15/09/2009 10:20:01 AM 622 Views
Ghavrel - 15/09/2009 06:25:26 PM 1162 Views
Oh, I am sorry. jh - 16/09/2009 11:11:07 AM 1050 Views
Well... Craig - 14/09/2009 11:16:00 PM 1140 Views
I accept your points, but also your final statement Tom - 15/09/2009 04:38:46 AM 1133 Views
More to the point then... people don't really need a good reason to hate something in particular. Craig - 15/09/2009 06:00:33 AM 1213 Views
You didn't even like him as Mugatu in Zoolander? *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 01:47:57 PM 577 Views
Now, now. Craig - 15/09/2009 07:03:48 PM 1137 Views
Suspension of disbelief is a relative thing random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:25:32 PM 1217 Views
Damn near everything is a relative thing. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:25:48 AM 1184 Views
I'm indifferent to him Larry - 15/09/2009 01:14:37 AM 1186 Views
If you're indifferent, you are apparently in a minority. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:36:28 AM 1147 Views
To put Brown's mediocrity in perspective, read Da Vinci and then Foucault's Pendulum by Umberto Eco. *NM* RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:32:11 AM 601 Views
Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. Craig - 15/09/2009 01:49:28 AM 1121 Views
Re: Eh, I enjoyed DaVinci better. You can all crucify me now. RandAllThor - 15/09/2009 01:54:17 AM 1274 Views
Re: Rose Craig - 15/09/2009 02:16:53 AM 1142 Views
As someone who appreciated Foucault's Pendulum I don't argue his mediocrity. Tom - 15/09/2009 04:30:31 AM 1024 Views
I agree with your last sentence strongly. Joker - 26/09/2009 08:18:42 PM 1372 Views
I don't hate him, and I've never read any of his books Brian - 15/09/2009 01:45:37 AM 1141 Views
He was over hyped to me. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 04:15:32 AM 1165 Views
Da Vinci, not "Da Vinchi". The latter would be pronounced like "Da Vinki" in English. *NM* Tom - 15/09/2009 04:32:40 AM 575 Views
I will fix it for for you. I just didn't care enough to look up the spelling on it. Tashmere - 15/09/2009 02:49:08 PM 1253 Views
I agree it was way overhyped. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:12:39 AM 1089 Views
Heh, I actually had the opposite. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:26:55 AM 1180 Views
The thing I hate the most is actually the fans who suddenly "know" stuff.... Sophy - 15/09/2009 07:49:22 AM 1300 Views
Yes! *NM* Camilla - 15/09/2009 08:06:35 AM 573 Views
I try to avoid stupid people like that altogether Tom - 15/09/2009 01:49:53 PM 1087 Views
And move to a deserted island? Sophy - 15/09/2009 02:33:01 PM 1372 Views
Those people are everywhere, but you don't have to talk to them Tom - 17/09/2009 03:02:24 PM 1221 Views
Lol. I agree wholeheartedly. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:17:51 AM 1216 Views
My take on why Dan Brown is so disliked. MightyYT - 15/09/2009 08:51:04 AM 1264 Views
As I've said before, I don't disagree that he's a mediocre writer Tom - 15/09/2009 01:52:23 PM 1148 Views
He 'true' book claims 5 million women were killed during the witch hunt AgentOrange - 15/09/2009 11:55:40 AM 1140 Views
I would hardly say I hate him Mark - 15/09/2009 02:33:13 PM 1207 Views
I think it's more the totally inexplicable nature of his success Werthead - 15/09/2009 03:48:28 PM 1293 Views
Eragon and Twilight indicate all that is evil to me in the world LadyLorraine - 15/09/2009 04:33:29 PM 1272 Views
I hardly think it's that inexplicable. Legolas - 15/09/2009 04:33:39 PM 1140 Views
Honestly, his works play on a very basic fact of human psychology., everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:23:56 AM 1270 Views
Misplaced superiority. Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:10:34 PM 1195 Views
Well, regarding goodkind... jh - 15/09/2009 05:23:34 PM 1206 Views
I couldn't say... Jacob - 15/09/2009 05:57:12 PM 1224 Views
well, you stuck with the poor quality books longer than me. *NM* jh - 16/09/2009 12:39:23 AM 580 Views
It's pure literary snobbery Wibble - 15/09/2009 11:08:44 PM 1218 Views
I agree with you 100%. Tom - 16/09/2009 02:20:11 AM 1098 Views
Very nice summary. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:32:38 AM 1262 Views
That's more than a little unfair. Craig - 16/09/2009 05:29:59 AM 1160 Views
Dan Brown is a snob. Sophy - 16/09/2009 06:32:21 AM 1329 Views
Where does the rule come from that you can't read good books while travelling? It is nonsense! Camilla - 18/09/2009 10:16:56 AM 1376 Views
because all of the cool kids hate him random thoughts - 15/09/2009 11:17:29 PM 1049 Views
He has an enormous schwanzstucker. *NM* TaskmasterJack - 16/09/2009 01:18:37 AM 810 Views
I figured that'd set most guys against him. *NM* rebelaessedai - 16/09/2009 01:51:56 AM 604 Views
I don't get it either. everynametaken - 16/09/2009 02:01:04 AM 1115 Views
I think you'll appreciate this Tom Geoff - 16/09/2009 03:03:24 PM 1384 Views
Hmm. The sneerathon seems like a good idea. jh - 16/09/2009 03:52:15 PM 1159 Views
That was lovely, thank you! Tom - 17/09/2009 03:04:46 PM 1139 Views
My pleasure Geoff - 17/09/2009 03:58:31 PM 1290 Views
I don't. I think he's just average, though occasionally fun for an easy read/skim *NM* IndigoAjah - 17/09/2009 12:39:05 AM 610 Views
Plenty of them probably don't. They just don't have the guts to say what they truly think. *NM* Vodalus - 17/09/2009 10:10:39 PM 562 Views
And yet there's still no "Why do so many people hate Faile?" post on the WoT board... *NM* TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 04:05:26 PM 808 Views
How do you know? *NM* jh - 18/09/2009 04:57:15 PM 602 Views
I pop in there on occasion. TaskmasterJack - 18/09/2009 05:09:59 PM 1520 Views
Oh, it's a job. jh - 18/09/2009 07:35:32 PM 1272 Views
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