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No, because the movies are very contemporary and relevant, thus he will remain so for quite a while. Dan Send a noteboard - 12/12/2011 03:14:53 AM
For better or for worse.








I think we are at least 2 generations removed from Tolkien. I can't tell you how irritating it is to pick up a book and see a blurb about how the author is a modern Tolkien. I'm sorry, but I didn't grow up on Tolkien. I grew up on Jordan, Weis and Hickman, Salvatore, even Martin. There is a whole new slew of great authors, like Abercrombie, Sanderson, Butcher, Rothfuss, Erikson. Tolkien was the pretty much the first to set the stage for modern fantasy. That's it. Stop treating the guy like he's still relevant. Because, personally, I found Lord of the Rings to be almost unreadable. It makes for a good sleep aid, though.

Face it people, it's time to start comparing these new authors to Jordan, maybe even Martin. Tolkien is like 60+ years ago. Do authors still get compared to Homer? The state of fantasy right now is light years past what Tolkien came up with. I partially blame Peter Jackson, of course. What he did with that material was freaking brilliant. It made Lord of the Rings relevant again. So, of course, all credit goes back to Tolkien now. But if I ever became a writer, I would credit Jordan, et al. and never mention Tolkien. That time is done. It's over. Move on. Jordan and Martin are the standards now.

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Aren't the Tolkien comparisons getting a little...old? Dark Knight - 09/12/2011 09:51:39 PM 3052 Views
The comparison bothers me, but not because Tolkien isn't relevant. lord-of-shadow - 09/12/2011 10:05:22 PM 1906 Views
I agree with this. Nate - 09/12/2011 10:21:34 PM 1945 Views
Re: I agree with this. DomA - 10/12/2011 07:09:33 PM 1875 Views
Exactly *NM* ironclad - 12/12/2011 12:09:19 PM 1007 Views
Only when shit works are being compared to him Larry - 09/12/2011 10:22:26 PM 1798 Views
Larry, Macharius - 10/12/2011 01:13:18 AM 1823 Views
Snide dismissal that will be passed off as for his own entertainment. Ghavrel - 10/12/2011 04:55:43 AM 1740 Views
We get a lot of that around here. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 10/12/2011 05:18:01 AM 771 Views
makes me wonder... LadyLorraine - 10/12/2011 04:37:33 PM 1726 Views
Re: makes me wonder... James - 11/12/2011 03:03:15 AM 1673 Views
Well-deserved condescension. Tom - 11/12/2011 03:54:27 AM 1901 Views
You're sure about that? A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 04:20:26 AM 2084 Views
Re: You're sure about that? James - 11/12/2011 05:25:08 AM 1799 Views
Re: You're sure about that? A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 06:03:02 AM 1677 Views
i think you shouldn't judge a whole world's school programs on your school LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 06:42:30 AM 1718 Views
Yeah, I'm limited in my knowledge, lol A Deathwatch Guard - 11/12/2011 08:03:26 AM 1740 Views
My school was...not great. James - 11/12/2011 04:02:36 PM 1762 Views
I'm 24. James - 11/12/2011 03:49:06 PM 1677 Views
If you're arguing that children should be able to read genre fiction, fine. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:52:27 PM 1608 Views
Well, I suppose it depends on the type of genre being read Larry - 11/12/2011 09:36:16 PM 1834 Views
How often do you hear the challenging writers mentioned at this site? Tom - 12/12/2011 02:03:05 PM 1569 Views
Only when you, me, and a couple others write reviews Larry - 12/12/2011 04:21:14 PM 1994 Views
Oh, it was the same as it always is Tom - 12/12/2011 05:23:56 PM 1654 Views
True Larry - 12/12/2011 06:29:10 PM 1774 Views
One note nossy - 13/12/2011 12:17:48 AM 1783 Views
Perhaps Larry - 13/12/2011 12:49:34 AM 1707 Views
*Sighs* Such is the plight of those shining few intelects... Narg - 23/12/2011 01:15:47 AM 1755 Views
Much of the actual "Classics", that is, Greek and Latin originals, kids would eat up. Dan - 12/12/2011 03:13:03 AM 1585 Views
Try teaching Apuleius in schools... *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 04:12:49 AM 886 Views
Plato is exciting, brutal and scandalous? Legolas - 12/12/2011 09:59:13 PM 1661 Views
You're upfront and honest about it; he isn't. The difference matters to me. *NM* Ghavrel - 11/12/2011 05:18:42 AM 935 Views
Uhh...uh... Larry - 11/12/2011 05:34:23 AM 1691 Views
this is a bit off topic, but out of curiousity... LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 06:28:35 AM 1798 Views
I've discussed this dozens of times at this site. Perhaps you've missed all of the posts. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:57:44 PM 1773 Views
mk I'll go look. I probably did miss it (or at least don't remember it!) LadyLorraine - 11/12/2011 09:08:02 PM 1696 Views
I have a successful career that was inspired by the video games I played as a child. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 11/12/2011 05:52:21 PM 961 Views
Now let's get all the people who just pissed their lives away with video games and see the %. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:58:42 PM 1852 Views
The majority of players neither waste their lives nor make a career out of it. lord-of-shadow - 11/12/2011 11:29:29 PM 1732 Views
Yeah, sorry, I don't think you could say that with a straight face in real life. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 04:13:52 AM 902 Views
Then you have a closed mind on the subject. Ironic, considering your stance on edification. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 05:47:50 AM 842 Views
No, just with respect to you. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 02:00:15 PM 894 Views
Tom, you pulled the "Say that to my face!" line. You lost the right to talk about respect. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 03:20:15 PM 935 Views
Once again, I really don't care what you think. *NM* Tom - 12/12/2011 03:37:40 PM 891 Views
Did I imply that you did? My apologies. I'd hate to insinuate that you'd stoop that low. *NM* lord-of-shadow - 12/12/2011 04:13:25 PM 857 Views
As well read as you seem to be, you think you'd be smart enough... MonCul - 11/12/2011 06:20:06 PM 1689 Views
I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here. Tom - 11/12/2011 08:44:58 PM 1602 Views
Re: I thought I have made it clear that I don't care if people don't like me here. Macharius - 12/12/2011 04:04:37 PM 1669 Views
That statement has just confused me. Tom - 12/12/2011 04:06:53 PM 1615 Views
Re: That statement has just confused me. Macharius - 12/12/2011 04:14:27 PM 1639 Views
I never learned Hittite. I had a book on pre-order for a long time but never ended up getting it. Tom - 12/12/2011 05:41:03 PM 1568 Views
What you have made clear, I think, is the fact that you deal in generalizations and stereotypes. MonCul - 12/12/2011 10:12:12 PM 1736 Views
There's an unintentional irony in what you say, alas Larry - 13/12/2011 12:44:26 AM 1654 Views
Tom, Dick, or Larry...you may use your true first name, but you're still an anonymous entity to most MonCul - 13/12/2011 04:49:35 AM 1875 Views
With such comeback skills, you must have ruled the playgrounds as a kid, no? Larry - 13/12/2011 05:21:42 AM 1858 Views
I thought it was a pretty good comeback. MonCul - 13/12/2011 12:37:15 PM 1813 Views
Think again, Skippy Larry - 13/12/2011 01:34:41 PM 1673 Views
There are no special snowflakes, are there? Larry - 11/12/2011 09:39:21 PM 1605 Views
There are many way of widening one's horizons and broadening one's mind. Legolas - 11/12/2011 10:08:24 PM 1358 Views
I said as much in my comment Larry - 11/12/2011 10:20:03 PM 1624 Views
What I don't like- rebelaessedai - 12/12/2011 04:28:55 AM 1726 Views
Why don't you name something, then? Tom - 12/12/2011 04:40:29 AM 1666 Views
Sure. rebelaessedai - 13/12/2011 07:30:56 AM 1504 Views
Mentioning Ender's Game pretty much shot your argument in the foot. Tom - 13/12/2011 02:02:59 PM 1603 Views
You dismiss the entire video game medium because many games lack value. lord-of-shadow - 13/12/2011 03:59:11 PM 1749 Views
You're like the McDonald's paid advocate trying to say Big Macs are actually healthy. Tom - 13/12/2011 05:46:37 PM 1561 Views
McDonalds food is inherently unhealthy. lord-of-shadow - 13/12/2011 06:02:18 PM 1715 Views
For the sake of argument ... Nate - 13/12/2011 04:09:51 PM 1624 Views
Stephenson is not literature, that's for damn sure. Tom - 13/12/2011 05:49:24 PM 1555 Views
Thank you, The Voice of Lews Therin. *NM* Vivien - 16/12/2011 05:14:42 AM 949 Views
I'll leave it up to others to define as they wish against their self-conceptions of me Larry - 10/12/2011 10:52:54 AM 1727 Views
that's alright. I really have no desire to stroke your twit-ego. *NM* LadyLorraine - 10/12/2011 04:36:56 PM 733 Views
Considering the firestorm I appear to have touched off, that may be best. Macharius - 12/12/2011 12:57:49 PM 1695 Views
I know, John Larry - 12/12/2011 04:27:04 PM 1593 Views
Re: I know, John Macharius - 12/12/2011 05:06:26 PM 1678 Views
As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% Larry - 12/12/2011 06:33:52 PM 1580 Views
Re: As I've said in the past, I'd be scared if anyone agreed with me anywhere approaching 100% Macharius - 12/12/2011 07:13:37 PM 1654 Views
Same guy Larry - 12/12/2011 07:26:13 PM 1725 Views
Ha! Excellent point. *NM* Tom - 11/12/2011 03:44:52 AM 877 Views
Blurbs are not generally very original in their comparisons - would kind of defeat their purpose. Legolas - 09/12/2011 10:42:17 PM 1687 Views
I have to agree. ? - 09/12/2011 10:54:06 PM 1712 Views
They're there for marketing A Deathwatch Guard - 10/12/2011 12:20:17 AM 1710 Views
Most of those comparisons are like that anyway DomA - 10/12/2011 05:32:45 PM 1828 Views
Maybe if so much of the genre weren't crap derivative works it wouldn't be so common. *NM* Tom - 11/12/2011 03:44:24 AM 863 Views
To be fair, a lot of it isn't. rebelaessedai - 11/12/2011 04:06:07 AM 1635 Views
I suspect that if it really isn't derivative it's not being compared to Tolkien in the first place. Tom - 11/12/2011 04:18:57 AM 1579 Views
That's true. rebelaessedai - 11/12/2011 11:08:01 AM 1562 Views
But see, that's where things start to get referred back to Tolkien. Tom - 12/12/2011 04:30:12 AM 1704 Views
Maybe they mean something else by using his name. Cannoli - 11/12/2011 03:50:15 AM 1673 Views
When they don't work, yes. nossy - 11/12/2011 03:18:44 PM 1660 Views
The Tolkien fanaticism gets old. And yes, for me it is unreadable. everynametaken - 11/12/2011 11:37:53 PM 1636 Views
No, because the movies are very contemporary and relevant, thus he will remain so for quite a while. Dan - 12/12/2011 03:14:53 AM 1689 Views
Disagree all you want, but LotR is still the touchstone when it comes to works of fantasy. Vodalus - 12/12/2011 03:48:20 AM 1606 Views
Yes *NM* Hieshyn - 22/12/2011 07:08:38 PM 1004 Views
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