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Martin, Goodkind... Wibble Send a noteboard - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM
...they are all sad rape fantasists in my book. I absolutely believe they are getting off on it and it is one of the reasons I stopped reading any of them after the 1st book. I don't think there is any wider cultural conservative oppression in their writing, that would give them too much credit.

At worst they are just getting their jollies, at best they do not have the emotional intelligence to write on the subject and should have been told to steer clear long ago.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" Larry - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 2049 Views
Hm, ok. Dan - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1475 Views
I think we largely agree Larry - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1327 Views
Re: Hm, ok. dacole - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1335 Views
Martin, Goodkind... Wibble - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1322 Views
More than just those Larry - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1229 Views
Re: More than just those dacole - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1178 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... dacole - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1139 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1183 Views
There has to be something more, though. Nate - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1351 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1228 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Werthead - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1209 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. Legolas - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1277 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1317 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. Werthead - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1250 Views
And that makes sense? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1411 Views
Yes and no. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1405 Views
Re: Yes and no. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1187 Views
The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. Werthead - 26/12/2011 01:37:40 PM 1165 Views
Re: The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. dacole - 29/12/2011 02:47:06 AM 1320 Views
Re: And that makes sense? bugmenot - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1288 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1145 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 1046 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 1079 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1171 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1134 Views
That's my general take as well Larry - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1124 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1254 Views
I like violence *NM* Urza - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 566 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" dacole - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1335 Views
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