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On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius Send a noteboard - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM
I ask this because for the most part my observation of such is that "gritty" has meant the inclusion of detailed descriptions of violence, sexuality, profanity, etc (usually all rolled up into one) to enhance "realism" when the effect to me comes across as shock-value entertainment with no real purpose other than the spectactle of itself.

If people want that kind of shock entertainment, that's perfectly fine: indeed, I'm happy they have a source from which to indulge their interests.

For myself, however, the most notorious authors of such works (Goodkind, Martin, Bakker) have been the only authors whose books I never enjoyed and have been the only series I've never finished reading. In particular, I disliked Bakker so much I had to resort to skimming the latter half of the first book just to find out out happens when the description of the book and premise of the series is one I would normally find extremely interesting.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1994 Views
Hm, ok. - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1399 Views
I think we largely agree - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1258 Views
Re: Hm, ok. - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1267 Views
Martin, Goodkind... - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1260 Views
More than just those - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1166 Views
Re: More than just those - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1130 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1089 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1128 Views
There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1296 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1171 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1145 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1212 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1254 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1188 Views
And that makes sense? - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1347 Views
Yes and no. - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1332 Views
Re: Yes and no. - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1127 Views
Re: And that makes sense? - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1219 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1090 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 988 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 1031 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1106 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1076 Views
That's my general take as well - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1069 Views
I like violence *NM* - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 538 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1277 Views

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