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That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM
All of which raises the point for me that, if I want to read about atrocities, the real world has far too many examples for me to want to have them featured and indeed highlighted in my recreational reading. That many of the events in ASoIaF have at least some historical background is no excuse for making a spectacle of the worst parts in the name of "authenticity".


Well, that's up to you. If I'm reading a book depicting a cartoon war in which violence is portrayed as consequence-free and unrealistic, that to me is far more unacceptable. Violence should always be shown as having consequences, not as something to be enjoyed. And since ASoIaF is a war story inspired by real medieval history (which was quite staggeringly brutal and violent), then clearly it's going to be a hard read for anyone who doesn't favour reading about such things in their fiction. The only solution is that they don't read it.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" Larry - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1958 Views
Hm, ok. Dan - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1364 Views
I think we largely agree Larry - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1233 Views
Re: Hm, ok. dacole - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1241 Views
Martin, Goodkind... Wibble - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1232 Views
More than just those Larry - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1139 Views
Re: More than just those dacole - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1094 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... dacole - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1058 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1099 Views
There has to be something more, though. Nate - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1266 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1140 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Werthead - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1115 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. Legolas - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1182 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1230 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. Werthead - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1153 Views
And that makes sense? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1318 Views
Yes and no. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1293 Views
Re: Yes and no. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1094 Views
The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. Werthead - 26/12/2011 01:37:40 PM 1077 Views
Re: The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. dacole - 29/12/2011 02:47:06 AM 1213 Views
Re: And that makes sense? bugmenot - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1195 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1065 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 958 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 1000 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1073 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1051 Views
That's my general take as well Larry - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1033 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1174 Views
I like violence *NM* Urza - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 526 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" dacole - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1245 Views
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