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You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius Send a noteboard - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM
What I'm objecting to is the description of event in gratuitous detail, not the occurance of events themselves. I turned away from Martin and Bakker not because I was personally disgusted and affected by the content (I wasn't), but because I felt they were going into details unnecessary to the story being told (or more properly, to the story I was trying to read). "Gritty" content is rarely more than unnecessary page bloat for authors trying to "be cool" by exploring the darker depths of the human experience.

Again, I say:

historical background is no excuse for making a spectacle of the worst parts in the name of "authenticity".


What war isn't staggeringly brutal and violent? Just because America's wars in the last 20 years have been extraordinarily clean by historical standards is no cause for us to dismiss what set that same standard in the first place.

And quite right, I won't be reading them.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" Larry - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 1830 Views
Hm, ok. Dan - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1238 Views
I think we largely agree Larry - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1115 Views
Re: Hm, ok. dacole - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1109 Views
Martin, Goodkind... Wibble - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1126 Views
More than just those Larry - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1055 Views
Re: More than just those dacole - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 979 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... dacole - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 960 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? Macharius - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1003 Views
There has to be something more, though. Nate - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1161 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1031 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Werthead - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1013 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. Legolas - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1061 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1134 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. Werthead - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1040 Views
And that makes sense? fionwe1987 - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1190 Views
Yes and no. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1158 Views
Re: Yes and no. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1019 Views
The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. Werthead - 26/12/2011 01:37:40 PM 982 Views
Re: The power and influence of women in the Middle Ages was limited, but not non-existent. dacole - 29/12/2011 02:47:06 AM 1105 Views
Re: And that makes sense? bugmenot - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1098 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. Macharius - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 965 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. Werthead - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 873 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. Macharius - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 920 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 943 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. dacole - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 960 Views
That's my general take as well Larry - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 951 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1078 Views
I like violence *NM* Urza - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 472 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" dacole - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1146 Views
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