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Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? dacole Send a noteboard - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM
I ask this because for the most part my observation of such is that "gritty" has meant the inclusion of detailed descriptions of violence, sexuality, profanity, etc (usually all rolled up into one) to enhance "realism" when the effect to me comes across as shock-value entertainment with no real purpose other than the spectactle of itself.

If people want that kind of shock entertainment, that's perfectly fine: indeed, I'm happy they have a source from which to indulge their interests.

For myself, however, the most notorious authors of such works (Goodkind, Martin, Bakker) have been the only authors whose books I never enjoyed and have been the only series I've never finished reading. In particular, I disliked Bakker so much I had to resort to skimming the latter half of the first book just to find out out happens when the description of the book and premise of the series is one I would normally find extremely interesting.




Hmm Gritty has to do with that yes but I would say think of it more like b5 than star trek. Human nature being self interested and like in the real world, the good guys not always winning and who the good guys are being in question. I would say it is a response to the overly simple good vs evil narratives in much of fantasy fiction. Anime does this very well.
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Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 17/12/2011 01:36:54 PM 2049 Views
Hm, ok. - 17/12/2011 10:51:21 PM 1473 Views
I think we largely agree - 17/12/2011 11:23:00 PM 1327 Views
Re: Hm, ok. - 26/12/2011 01:08:14 AM 1334 Views
Martin, Goodkind... - 18/12/2011 01:58:33 PM 1321 Views
More than just those - 18/12/2011 08:15:27 PM 1229 Views
Re: More than just those - 26/12/2011 01:13:21 AM 1177 Views
Re: Martin, Goodkind... - 26/12/2011 01:11:12 AM 1139 Views
On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 19/12/2011 02:58:57 PM 1182 Views
There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 03:47:56 PM 1351 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 05:29:30 PM 1228 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 19/12/2011 09:06:14 PM 1209 Views
I agree about Martin - haven't read enough Bakker to judge. - 19/12/2011 09:56:17 PM 1276 Views
My problem with aSoIaF... - 20/12/2011 05:16:42 AM 1315 Views
The Rhoynish influence pretty much ends in Dorne. - 20/12/2011 06:15:54 AM 1249 Views
And that makes sense? - 20/12/2011 08:54:16 AM 1411 Views
Yes and no. - 20/12/2011 03:10:54 PM 1405 Views
Re: Yes and no. - 26/12/2011 03:12:01 AM 1187 Views
Re: And that makes sense? - 18/05/2012 01:42:52 AM 1287 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 20/12/2011 12:21:39 PM 1145 Views
That's a question for each reader to answer then. - 20/12/2011 03:20:39 PM 1046 Views
You appear to have not understood my point. - 20/12/2011 05:59:07 PM 1079 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:14:04 AM 1170 Views
Re: There has to be something more, though. - 26/12/2011 03:01:34 AM 1134 Views
That's my general take as well - 20/12/2011 07:15:51 AM 1124 Views
Re: On more of a "meta" level, what makes a fantasy story "gritty" in the first place? - 26/12/2011 01:15:35 AM 1254 Views
I like violence *NM* - 20/12/2011 07:51:39 PM 566 Views
Re: Violence, rape, and agency in the "gritty fantasies" - 25/12/2011 11:52:41 PM 1334 Views

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