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Re: Well, if corporations are now people, then maybe their copyright could be different? *shrug* DomA Send a noteboard - 06/01/2012 01:18:04 AM
I will also admit that corporations should have different protections since that is the heart and soul of their existence.


That would be difficult to implement, I think, notably when it comes to movies where creation is a collective effort and the copyrights belong more often than not to the investors. For instance, 20th Century Fox owns the copyright to the Simpson episodes, despite the fact the show is produced by Gracie Films to which Matt Groening licenses the use of his copyrighted characters.

Or you have the case of someone like George Lucas, whose copyrights are owned by his own corporation Lucasfilms, not by George Lucas as an individual. In his case, the deal with Fox is one of distribution. They release the SW movies under license from LFL.

And then in publishing you have the case of Robert Jordan. James Rigney didn't own his copyrights, his "Robert Jordan" corporation did, and had a publishing deal with Tor. Several other writers own their copyright on a personal basis, or their publishers own them.

A friend of mine develops characters. She's worked for Disney and Hannah-Barbera and co. Of course, by contract she owned strictly nothing morally or financially that she developped for them (it's worse, she couldn't develop anything on her own while in their employ, her contract specified all such work would by default belong to Disney unless they specifically release the copyrigh to her). In any case, to deal with all this (not only dealing with corporations in regard to your copyrights, but also to simplifly things with governments internationally), people like her don't own any copyrights on an individual basis, rather their create a corporation to manage them. They release their rights to the corporation and the corporation mandates them to manage the moral rights. It's all a paper thing.

The way things are done nowadays, I think it would be extremely difficult to differentiate legally between rights owned by the creators as individuals, and rights owned by corporations, or to justify that different rights are given to corporations than to the estates of individual creators, and again, it's very easy to transfer your personal copyrights to your corporation created to manage those rights.

The purpose of copyrights in the 21st century is much wider than the spirit of the original laws. They still ensure that being a creator can be a viable way to earn a living, but most of all they protect the investments in the entertainment industry. They even protect the customers to an extent, from being invaded by a plague of shabby releases mastered from god knows which source, making it difficult for the original studio to commercialize high quality versions, or justify investing hard cash in restoring or preserving works. For books in the public domain, there's already problems with all kind of shabby editions (I got caught with that a time or two, buying an omnibus for classics only to realize it was so cheap for very good reasons).

It's not only or even primarly their movies a company like Disney has sought to protect, it's the rights to Mickey Mouse, Gooffy, Donald Duck, their designs of Bambi, Cinderella and the whole she-bang. Had these characters fallen into the public domain, there would be nothing stopping publishers from churning out their own Disney albums and movies, opening Disney themed-parks, not to mention the Disney stuff wouldn't remain "family-friendly" for very long, as nothing would stop someone from making Mickey Mouse and Zombies, and mere days would pass after the characters are public domain until Disney porno cartoons appear. Without the new laws, the American entertainment industry would simply collapse. It produces every year some of the most expensive entertainment in the history of humanity, even novels can turn into massive investments nowadays.

I think culture has become way too much of an industry in modern times for the spirit behind the original copyright laws to still fully apply. As long as people want to see entertainment that cost over a hundred of millions of dollars to produce and to have a vast choice of productions released each year, and hundreds of TV channels, and video games derived from franchises that are very expensive to develop etc. they have to live with the fact these industries need to make a great deal of money to run. And it would be terribly hard to justify that the copyrights for a novel are dealt with differently than those of a movie and so on, especially that a works very often appear in multiple forms.

I don't buy the argument that copyrights stiffle creativity. There's always the possibility of buying the rights if a work could violate a copyright, and not only there's more than enough of that happening already, it's also bad enough that an estate can decide to release sequels to original works (most of which are fairly bad books) without us getting Lolita 2, and the expurged this and that.

Sure enough, I realize modern copyright would have also meant several works considered classics now would not have surfaced (starting with The Three Musketeers, for which Dumas picked liberally from an "autobiography" of D'Artagnan he knew well was in fact faux mémoires and a novel in disguise), but the thing is, it's no longer the 19th century.

And finally, behind this desire to see work enter the public domain and outrage at "rights stolen from the public" and stiffling of creativity, there's in fact a big deal of hypocrisy. What people really want are those works available for free. This phenomenon is getting worse and worse. First it's part of the music industry that's back to 19th century conditions, were independant artists find it more and more difficult to make a living because of piracy (artists would use to scrap a living selling 20 or 30 thousand copies now face 50,000 illegal downloads and 5000 sales - having to take day jobs to survive), more and more newspapers are vanishing because people seek their news from free sources and disregard the professional qualifications of real journalists - and the role the press plays in democracies be damned, it's getting more and more difficult to buy works in certain genre (ex: anime) in brick and mortar shops because illegal downloads have crashed the niche markets, and now with e-readers, it's book piracy that's becoming commonplace.
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Why Johnny Can't Read Any New Public Domain Books In The US: Because Nothing New Entered The P.D. - 03/01/2012 11:33:34 PM 1751 Views
I find it difficult to see this as stealing rights from the public. - 04/01/2012 11:15:35 AM 888 Views
Are you arguing for illegal use of legally protected works? - 04/01/2012 09:34:18 PM 816 Views
No. I'm saying that keeping works in copyright doesn't stop them from being read, watched, etc. - 04/01/2012 10:24:50 PM 822 Views
That's not the point, though. - 05/01/2012 01:05:17 PM 872 Views
???? - 05/01/2012 03:22:58 PM 842 Views
Re: ???? - 05/01/2012 04:04:21 PM 872 Views
not to mention public libraries *NM* - 05/01/2012 03:21:04 PM 478 Views
Blame Disney. *NM* - 04/01/2012 05:48:00 PM 615 Views
I don't get it. - 04/01/2012 05:51:19 PM 1107 Views
You know those Jane Austen parodies? Only because Jane Austen is in the public domain. - 04/01/2012 09:32:20 PM 915 Views
Answering you specifically - 05/01/2012 04:57:33 PM 851 Views
But that doesn't make sense. - 05/01/2012 07:18:08 PM 998 Views
Here's the gist of it. - 06/01/2012 04:18:29 PM 847 Views
Patents and copyrights aren't meant to last forever (shouldn't, anyway) - 04/01/2012 10:33:30 PM 880 Views
I know they aren't. I don't necessarily agree that they shouldn't though. - 05/01/2012 05:01:05 PM 792 Views
Copyrights stifle creativity. - 05/01/2012 07:48:08 PM 877 Views
Re: Copyrights stifle creativity. - 06/01/2012 04:39:24 PM 1269 Views
Re: I know they aren't. I don't necessarily agree that they shouldn't though. - 06/01/2012 12:47:50 AM 805 Views
Why. - 06/01/2012 05:05:20 PM 1419 Views
That is a very confusing article. - 04/01/2012 10:19:22 PM 930 Views
Works published between 1923 and 1978 are different - 04/01/2012 10:25:16 PM 869 Views
Do you think it is right that Disney can protect its movies? - 05/01/2012 05:29:08 PM 815 Views
Ok, what has movies Disney done lately that were on par with its classics? *NM* - 05/01/2012 07:44:20 PM 368 Views
And speaking of Disney's classics... - 05/01/2012 10:06:16 PM 960 Views
Until Disney discovered and copyrighted them, they obviouslty didn't exist. *NM* - 06/01/2012 12:58:55 AM 405 Views
Except of course they haven't copyrighted them... - 06/01/2012 01:53:01 AM 799 Views
nice theory but you can make a Little Mermaid movie if you want - 06/01/2012 02:48:47 PM 843 Views
Well, if corporations are now people, then maybe their copyright could be different? *shrug* - 05/01/2012 07:57:38 PM 967 Views
Do you really want corporations to be immortal? - 06/01/2012 12:50:11 AM 868 Views
In a sense, aren't they already? - 06/01/2012 02:42:53 AM 962 Views
Re: Well, if corporations are now people, then maybe their copyright could be different? *shrug* - 06/01/2012 01:18:04 AM 864 Views
It's a thorny issue and I largely agree with you - 06/01/2012 02:50:24 AM 896 Views
Huh... apparently, Mickey Mouse is already Public Domain anyway - 06/01/2012 07:30:36 AM 1036 Views
Can you back that up? - 06/01/2012 04:17:35 AM 986 Views
Re: Can you back that up? - 06/01/2012 06:02:01 PM 786 Views
Re: the piracy issues - 06/01/2012 06:30:46 AM 971 Views
Book piracy - 06/01/2012 05:21:40 PM 1075 Views
corporations have always had rights - 06/01/2012 04:08:12 PM 838 Views

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