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Do you really believe that? nossy Send a noteboard - 30/01/2012 02:44:19 PM
... but can one be racist when they don't have the full force of a social system behind prejudicial thoughts?

Up until now, I would have thought that you would demand that people maintain proper definitions. Do you disagree that racism is basically the belief that one race is superior to another? Obviously, this can grow into the belief that one race deserves to rule another, but "racism" starts with the belief, not only the enforcement.

And as I said to Rebekah yesterday, there are many levels of power other than being in the majority for something one can't control. Any person, including that author, can exhibit racism simply by making any one other person feel like crap ONLY because of visual cues. In fact, that girl would need to do some fast talking to convince me that she would care if all white people suddenly died off. How is that not racism? Only because it's against those in "power?" Bull.Shit. Getting people to broaden their minds is one thing; being an outright bigot is another.

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This message last edited by nossy on 30/01/2012 at 03:33:58 PM
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The racist elements in Tolkien's writing Larry - 29/01/2012 01:31:02 PM 2630 Views
She has some points, of course. Legolas - 29/01/2012 02:25:32 PM 1425 Views
Quite a few points Larry - 29/01/2012 02:40:45 PM 1530 Views
Re: Quite a few points Legolas - 29/01/2012 04:59:11 PM 1245 Views
I don't find the tone blunt; I find it leading, patronizing and often wrong or inferring too much. Tom - 30/01/2012 01:43:27 AM 1427 Views
Agreed - reading it, I struggled to find any redeeming qualities snoopcester - 30/01/2012 07:32:58 PM 1503 Views
Agreed, in general. The tremendous bad faith and sophistry turn me off, though. Dan - 29/01/2012 09:31:04 PM 1637 Views
Mostly agreed with the article, but thought she undermined herself with her own racism. Rebekah - 29/01/2012 02:50:11 PM 1487 Views
I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full Larry - 29/01/2012 02:58:05 PM 1501 Views
I'm not bothered by the tone. Annoyance is justified. Rebekah - 29/01/2012 03:03:07 PM 1429 Views
Re: I wish I could agree with you, but I can't in full Macharius - 30/01/2012 02:11:07 PM 1427 Views
Do you really believe that? nossy - 30/01/2012 02:44:19 PM 1496 Views
Just read your Twitter convo... nice try, but looks like wasted effort. *NM* Legolas - 29/01/2012 10:37:08 PM 660 Views
Yes. nossy - 29/01/2012 10:41:15 PM 1151 Views
Oh, also: Rebekah - 29/01/2012 03:07:03 PM 1227 Views
Well, I'll be honest. nossy - 29/01/2012 10:34:46 PM 1357 Views
Let me try to summarize some of her points with the invective filtered out, then. Legolas - 29/01/2012 10:48:24 PM 1559 Views
Thank you. nossy - 29/01/2012 11:10:13 PM 1584 Views
What the hell, might as well go and play devil's advocate, right? Legolas - 30/01/2012 04:50:30 PM 1498 Views
I expected that. nossy - 30/01/2012 05:39:59 PM 1391 Views
Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. Legolas - 30/01/2012 10:28:10 PM 1415 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. nossy - 31/01/2012 12:39:46 AM 1274 Views
Re: Of course you did. I'm predictable that way. Legolas - 31/01/2012 08:38:46 PM 1343 Views
I <3 you, but there are several very key things we are not going to agree on. nossy - 31/01/2012 10:02:22 PM 1740 Views
Oh. Legolas - 31/01/2012 11:07:52 PM 1387 Views
nossy - 01/02/2012 12:17:59 AM 1514 Views
Hmm? snoopcester - 31/01/2012 10:10:22 PM 1325 Views
Yeah. I got to reading Encyclopedia of Arda just now, and it told me the same thing. Legolas - 31/01/2012 10:35:54 PM 1226 Views
As a sort of group answer (I've been mostly absent from forums the past two days) Larry - 31/01/2012 10:45:55 PM 1583 Views
I don't mind if you tell me I'm out of line here, but nossy - 31/01/2012 11:55:04 PM 1428 Views
I'm rarely ever offended Larry - 01/02/2012 01:54:58 AM 1649 Views
She was referring specifically to the Twitter "conversation" I had with the blogger. Rebekah - 01/02/2012 09:05:28 AM 1395 Views
Yes. nossy - 01/02/2012 10:47:22 AM 1570 Views
It makes me wonder what she thinks is happening in Zimbabwe, for example. Rebekah - 01/02/2012 11:13:11 AM 1567 Views
I've been thinking about that. nossy - 01/02/2012 11:29:18 AM 1355 Views
Re: I've been thinking about that. Rebekah - 01/02/2012 11:40:11 AM 1622 Views
We're nuts. nossy - 01/02/2012 03:09:15 PM 1381 Views
I know that nossy - 01/02/2012 11:15:48 AM 1423 Views
That blog post was mostly good, but the exception is a rather large one. Legolas - 01/02/2012 08:35:57 PM 1291 Views
Do you mean exception*S*? Macharius - 02/02/2012 04:27:03 AM 1363 Views
The Hobbit came out in 1937. Tom - 30/01/2012 01:35:45 AM 1299 Views
What's a neckbeard? And why am I supposed to care? *NM* Tom - 30/01/2012 01:29:07 AM 723 Views
neckbeards are when the person (either intentionally or through misfortunate genetics)... LadyLorraine - 30/01/2012 03:21:09 AM 1318 Views
She hates Tolkien's writings to begin with ... The_Muted_Grimaud - 30/01/2012 06:34:29 AM 1460 Views
The tone of the article is massively annoying DomA - 30/01/2012 06:45:19 AM 1512 Views
acrackedmoon is a racist, sexist bore. And I don't even like Tolkien. *NM* ranagrande - 30/01/2012 01:14:17 PM 1378 Views
I laughed while reading it A Deathwatch Guard - 30/01/2012 04:30:50 PM 1357 Views
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